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It's getting there, slowly but surely. I don't know the big names anymore....it's been 20 years since I made a pass. But K&R for electronics was always good. I used Autometer, but the company has been sold since I dealt with them. Also ran their data recorders. Well worth the money. Can't tune them if you don't know EGTs. Simpson Chutes, and RJS safety equipment. Strange 3rd member, although Moser makes good stuff too. Motor is a matter of preference. Are you building it or someone else? My old school ride. It was loads of fun.
Bumpin96Monte - you have to be my biggest fan recently, thank you - I appreciate the support.
GrayGhost: The car is currently in California at Sarmento's for the cage and all the sheet metal - then it is back to Salt Lake to finish.
Greg Hubbs (Zippy02) turned me on to Paul's Auto (Snell Racing) in Sandy Utah and that is where I had my first Monte built and that is where I will finish my second build.
I have gotten to know my builder on a personal level (family everything), when he delivers the car to me in Michigan - he comes along and does the final tune here because of the altitude difference that is a must and addresses any minor issues that arise.
Thanks - Sam
PS - GrayGhost - Nice toy!
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Bumpin96Monte - you have to be my biggest fan recently, thank you - I appreciate the support.
GrayGhost: The car is currently in California at Sarmento's for the cage and all the sheet metal - then it is back to Salt Lake to finish.
Greg Hubbs (Zippy02) turned me on to Paul's Auto (Snell Racing) in Sandy Utah and that is where I had my first Monte built and that is where I will finish my second build.
I have gotten to know my builder on a personal level (family everything), when he delivers the car to me in Michigan - he comes along and does the final tune here because of the altitude difference that is a must and addresses any minor issues that arise.
Thanks - Sam
PS - GrayGhost - Nice toy!
You going fuel injected? I know nothing of turbos or tuning them. Just wondering how you are going to handle the differences in altitude when you go different places? Bristol, TN is 4,500 density altitude, and I have been to Memphis when it was MINUS 600. We had mechanical injection so kept a book on it. Took a while to get all the pills matched with altitude. This is why I say use EGTs to tune with. We ran around 1140 EGT but we were on alky. For gas you will probably be around 1400, and from what I know, turbos won't change that much. Let me know how he does it. Good luck.
GrayGhost1951- And yes, this car will be computer controlled fuel injection when the time comes to tuning I will touch base with you - just so you know how my builder tunes my car. So you - this car has a whipple blower on it - no turbo this time - that was the first car.
GrayGhost1951- And yes, this car will be computer controlled fuel injection when the time comes to tuning I will touch base with you - just so you know how my builder tunes my car. So you - this car has a whipple blower on it - no turbo this time - that was the first car.
Yeah, I would love to know if he uses EGTs on every cylinder. EFI on a huffer is a new one for me. I would love to hear how that goes. I would assume he puts it on a dyno to get a baseline and works from there. After about 10 passes we finally got a handle on things from some help from a guy in California who ran an alcohol dragster. We were overthinking much of it. By reading EGTs from each cylinder we were able to add or subtract sizes according to cylinder temp. We had it down so that 8 lines on the graph looked almost like one. Car was deadly accurate but took a lot of data from different places to get the air numbers right, due to the fact we had mechanical injection. Sounds like you have everything under control, if you can set up that 4 link.
GrayGhost1951: I do know that the baseline on my first build was done on a Mustang Dyno as you indicated. I also know that my builder did not use EGT's for each cylinder to tune the car. With the turbo he was trying to figure out how to equalize the air volume to each cylinder which he could not do, do to the volatility of and nature of the air flow coming from the turbo (turbulent) - so what he did do is put a MAF on the car that was programmable and had 4 quadrants in the MAF that he could take readings on - programmed the MAF to average the readings to the ECU thereby tricking the computer to think each cylinder was getting the same volume of air - thereby having all the injectors to work in sync. This worked regardless of the minute differences in volume to any one particular cylinder - each cylinder got the same amount of fuel. Although from what you have said about EGT's it may be a better solution equalizing each cylinder - something we still could not actually achieve - we just made the ECU think we did with average volumes of air to each. I am not sure but I would think there was some tolerance of volume that had to be within +/- to make this work.
Now all this comes from memory at the time of build (2014) - I will clarify next time he and I speak which is every week or so. SAM
GrayGhost1951: I do know that the baseline on my first build was done on a Mustang Dyno as you indicated. I also know that my builder did not use EGT's for each cylinder to tune the car. With the turbo he was trying to figure out how to equalize the air volume to each cylinder which he could not do, do to the volatility of and nature of the air flow coming from the turbo (turbulent) - so what he did do is put a MAF on the car that was programmable and had 4 quadrants in the MAF that he could take readings on - programmed the MAF to average the readings to the ECU thereby tricking the computer to think each cylinder was getting the same volume of air - thereby having all the injectors to work in sync. This worked regardless of the minute differences in volume to any one particular cylinder - each cylinder got the same amount of fuel. Although from what you have said about EGT's it may be a better solution equalizing each cylinder - something we still could not actually achieve - we just made the ECU think we did with average volumes of air to each. I am not sure but I would think there was some tolerance of volume that had to be within +/- to make this work.
Now all this comes from memory at the time of build (2014) - I will clarify next time he and I speak which is every week or so. SAM
Pretty amazing stuff. Way to overcome obstacles with the turbo. Of course with a huffer you will have to have port injection along with top injection. You can fine tune each cylinder with different nozzles in the port. What compression are you running....around 8-1? Gas or alky?
