A professor of mine used to tell us time and again, "Never trust a study." And I'd say a poll falls into this category as well. They are one sided designed to give the results expected.

If Uncle Sam tells me all Native Americans and their decendants are crazy from the word go, then I'd have to say Bolderdash!!!
I happen to know someone of Native American decent. Me for one. I doubt I'm crazy. Okay maybe just a little bit.

 

Yeah, I guess it is true that there are still classes at college. I went ahead and put myself middle class as my father bought my car and is paying for my first year of college, after that I'm on my own. Oh, and I would totally have a part-time job right now if it wasn't for the fact that us Architecture students have little time to sleep, let alone hold down a job. Maybe next semester when I transfer back instate for Graphic Design. I defiantly need to get a job then, I've got to pay for my trip for ISV to Australia.

 

Great thread!!! We have some of the most civilized discussions here for being "gear heads."

I've been on other forums and they more intellectual and pseudo-intellects they attract, they more they act like ******.

We have a geat middle-of-the-road membership crowd.

 

My thoughts are based on annual household* income:
Lower class = less then 35k
Lower middle = 36k to 80k
Middle = 81k to 140k
Upper Middle = 141k to 200k

*Household being both spouses incomes combined. Now remember this is my own personal opinion.

 

 

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Take a look at this chart, which shows not only how much taxes are paid by various income groups, but also each group's share ofthe total income: http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/341.html

Keep in mind that this is just federal income taxes. Why, it seems to me that it's the bottom 50% of income earners who are not paying their "fair share". Shazam!

In the not too distant future, the bottom 50-percent will be paying no federal income taxes at all, at which point the political debate over taxes will be finished -assuming those who pay no income taxes are still allowed to vote. [:@]

Alexander Tyler got it right when he said this, well over 100 years ago:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."

Personally, I think we're currently in the process of moving into the "apathy to dependency" stage of Tyler's model.

 

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When you see someone in a Monte Carlo, what class

do you put the owner into ?

lower/middle/upper

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Income tax whern first started was a "Temporary" thing to help the U.S. get back on it's feet after WWII.

It was not intended to be a perminent system.

You can bet it's perminent now.

 

i thought it was to pay for WWI, o'well