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#11
Hello JaxJim and Maniac. Armed with my new car knowledge that you guys provided, I checked the oil and it looked like it was supposed to. I took it for a 2nd opinion Friday morning, and the new mechanic did the same thing before he pressure checked the coolant system. Low and behold my original guy is either really stupid or a crook! I did have a leak and it was the plastic elbow thingys!!! I cannot thank you enough! I had to hold myself back from going to the original mechanic and blowing a gasket (me, not the car) in his waiting room! Now I'm wondering about other work that he's done on my car and my son's. grrrrrrr
#12
Wow, I'm glad you got a second opinion. That probably saved you a small fortune. Yea, I would question a mechanic that gives you a worst case diagnosis, when it was a relatively small leak and an easy fix. Well, I'm happy for you. That had to be really good news when you heard it.
#13
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Mentor, Ohio
Posts: 12,175
I am really glad JaxJim and I were able to help!!
Out of curiousity, did this mechanic re-pressure test the system after changing the plastic elbows? I only say that because on my mom's '97 Grand Prix, the elbows were first and then after I changed them, I did find the intake gaskets are bad (it's sitting in my driveway awaiting my time to finish it up, she's driving another car and the Grand Prix is being sold when I'm done).
Regardless, mistaking the elbows for head gaskets, that's a HUGE difference!! I'm not going to automaticlly assume the first mechanic is a crook (unless you've had other issues like that). The best of us do make honest mistakes or are too hasty in diagnosis to get proper answers (it does sting though when that mistake is made by a "professional", but it does happen).
Out of curiousity, did this mechanic re-pressure test the system after changing the plastic elbows? I only say that because on my mom's '97 Grand Prix, the elbows were first and then after I changed them, I did find the intake gaskets are bad (it's sitting in my driveway awaiting my time to finish it up, she's driving another car and the Grand Prix is being sold when I'm done).
Regardless, mistaking the elbows for head gaskets, that's a HUGE difference!! I'm not going to automaticlly assume the first mechanic is a crook (unless you've had other issues like that). The best of us do make honest mistakes or are too hasty in diagnosis to get proper answers (it does sting though when that mistake is made by a "professional", but it does happen).
#16
i am glad that you had a second opinion. most shops asume the worst befor doing a pressure test. it is wiered and sad because they seem to be distracted when getting a diagnostic done on it. but on the bright side there is always other shops eger for the work and willing to double check every thing to make sure if it is some thing simple first then checking for some thing serius. to make sure you will think of them first and mention there name after the work is done. i am glad you are happy driving your monte again
#18
Before going for the head gasket route, I would advise putting a pressure tester on the radiator (if you don't have one see if the local auto parts store has a loan-a-tool on it) and putting I think it's 13-15 lbs of pressure in the system. This is not so much to test the radiator but the entire cooling system.
When you do this, listen for a hissing sound around the engine. Common point of failure is the plastic elbows the connect the intake and water pump to the tensioner pulley bracket (used for the heater hoses to pass coolant through).
The other area is lower intake gaskets.
I did this method on my mom's '97 Grand Prix (3800 v6). I first found the bad plastic elbow ($3 from almost any parts store) and could see tell-tale signs of coolant around it before pressurizing the system. I replaced it and before adding fluids, re-tested the system. Found the lower intake gaskets are also bad on her car. Since she has another vehicle, I have put this project on hold to tend to other matters.
When you do this, listen for a hissing sound around the engine. Common point of failure is the plastic elbows the connect the intake and water pump to the tensioner pulley bracket (used for the heater hoses to pass coolant through).
The other area is lower intake gaskets.
I did this method on my mom's '97 Grand Prix (3800 v6). I first found the bad plastic elbow ($3 from almost any parts store) and could see tell-tale signs of coolant around it before pressurizing the system. I replaced it and before adding fluids, re-tested the system. Found the lower intake gaskets are also bad on her car. Since she has another vehicle, I have put this project on hold to tend to other matters.
#19
was the car blowing heat??? My Monte 2001 is running hot but when I popped the hood its not hot, I hear bubbling though. I've had a radiator flush & a new thermostat and something blown out. I've never had heat, well occasionally, but the car never said high coolant level until recently. The mechanic is saying blown head gasket but plastic elbows sound better! Was your problem affecting your heat? I only get cold air when I turn on my heat
#20
heater problems- possible restrictions in heater core, esp if the radiator was filthy, or had the orange clay in it. this is typical for systems which do not see service very often. gm says dexcool is 100,000 mi coolant. i highly recommend you flush this type of coolant regularly in order to not have this type of problem. the heater core could be the bubbling you hear, and it could be the radiator. also, if you have a head gasket leak, depending on the type of gasket leak, you could be getting air introduced into the system which could cause a air pocket and not allow the coolant to circulate properly. air locked systems will sometimes be very hot on one hose, and not hot in another (lower hose, vs upper hose.) coolant elbows are very common on these motors to have leaks, as are the lower intake gaskets on the 3.1's and 3.4's , and even the upper plenum or plastic part on top of the 3.8. i have seen the upper plenum completely full of water before. there is an egr port that must be changed when replacing a upper plenum, and this is critical to keep the new plenum safe from having the same problems. the tube will melt the gasket and let water where it should not be. remember, your coolant sensor works off of water temp. if you have no water in the system, the sensor will not read properly. by the time it says high, it may be too late. the coolant level sensor is on the radiator on most models, and it doesnt have to be extremely low to cause this sensor to trigger the light to come on and off. i have had these sensors actually stick to where they show it is low when it isnt. sometimes you can do a "technical tap" on the sensor, and get the light to go off with no problem. other times, the sensor must be replaced.