7th Gen ('06-'07): Upgrade
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John, what is your definition of "faster"? Are you talking overall faster, as in top end speed? Or Quicker, as in 0 - 60 times?
Generally, it is usually one or the other. To make something quicker, you generally give up some top end speed. To gain top end speed, you normally give up some of the quickness.
Of course, there is exceptions but it takes a lot of money to gain in both area.
Generally, it is usually one or the other. To make something quicker, you generally give up some top end speed. To gain top end speed, you normally give up some of the quickness.
Of course, there is exceptions but it takes a lot of money to gain in both area.
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IMO, the easy option for a lot of power is the Cartuning turbo kit. Fairly easy bolt on to basically double power. Granted it's also $5500, so that may or may not be in budget.
Next best bang for the buck down the cost chain would be a cam. Labor is certainly much worse, but you could also be done for less than 1/4 the cost of the turbo kit. Power is certainly nowhere near a turbo either, but LS engines in general are very responsive to a cam.
If your budget is below that, it certainly gets a bit more tricky as you're getting into bolt ons that have substantially less power gains. I'd probably look into an intake manifold swap, or nitrous at that point.
The big thing to keep in mind is the junk trans. They dont survive under stock power, so when you start modding, longevity gets worse. They're also very expensive to mod, especially for a hardcore build. And the biggest trans company in the game (triple edge) is exiting the market very soon which will certainly be worse for everyone.
John, what is your definition of "faster"? Are you talking overall faster, as in top end speed? Or Quicker, as in 0 - 60 times?
Generally, it is usually one or the other. To make something quicker, you generally give up some top end speed. To gain top end speed, you normally give up some of the quickness.
Of course, there is exceptions but it takes a lot of money to gain in both area.
Generally, it is usually one or the other. To make something quicker, you generally give up some top end speed. To gain top end speed, you normally give up some of the quickness.
Of course, there is exceptions but it takes a lot of money to gain in both area.
Curious what power adding mods you're talking about that only improve one or the other?
Every typical mod I know of helps both (assuming you've got tires that can hook and the pcm limiter removed).
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bumpin96, most MODS will have both a negative and positive impact. Take CAMS. Get a bigger bumpily CAM which increase volume, you will get power on the top end (speed) but lose bottom end power (quickness). Same can be said with most other MODS. Bigger valves and intake. More volume giving more top end (speed) but you lose bottom end. It is a matter of Volume vs Velocity. More Volume = top end speed, more Velocity = bottom end quickness. Granted, this is at the extreme levels.
What one needs to find is that middle ground. Your CAMS, Intake, Heads, Exhaust (Header) need to work together. If you go extreme on one and not the others, you will hurt your overall performance. Think Talladega vs Martinsville. Talladega, you build to get the most volume thru the engine as RPMs do not change much. Martinsville, you need acceleration which means getting the fuel as fast as possible (Velocity).
My biggest compliant with the FWD cars is the inability to change gearing. The gearing is a major factor in the above formula. You design an engine to be most efficient within specific RPMs. Whether total flat out at higher RPMs (speed) or for acceleration (quickness). It is the gearing that allows you to make the most of the design within selected RPMs. Without being able to alter the gearing, you are STUCK with limited parameters. Yes, you can MOD the car within those parameters and achieve improvement (however you define improvement) but you are still very limited with a FWD vehicle. Again, just my opinion. And yes, I am "old school" with the gray hair and scars to prove it.
What one needs to find is that middle ground. Your CAMS, Intake, Heads, Exhaust (Header) need to work together. If you go extreme on one and not the others, you will hurt your overall performance. Think Talladega vs Martinsville. Talladega, you build to get the most volume thru the engine as RPMs do not change much. Martinsville, you need acceleration which means getting the fuel as fast as possible (Velocity).
My biggest compliant with the FWD cars is the inability to change gearing. The gearing is a major factor in the above formula. You design an engine to be most efficient within specific RPMs. Whether total flat out at higher RPMs (speed) or for acceleration (quickness). It is the gearing that allows you to make the most of the design within selected RPMs. Without being able to alter the gearing, you are STUCK with limited parameters. Yes, you can MOD the car within those parameters and achieve improvement (however you define improvement) but you are still very limited with a FWD vehicle. Again, just my opinion. And yes, I am "old school" with the gray hair and scars to prove it.
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Also, a big cam doesnt cause a car to lose acceleration / quickness. Someone lugging the engine down the drag strip shifting at 2500 rpm is doing it wrong. A crazy huge cam like you suggest would be paired with a higher stall converter to keep the engine in the powerband when accelerating.
Same can be said with most other MODS. Bigger valves and intake. More volume giving more top end (speed) but you lose bottom end. It is a matter of Volume vs Velocity. More Volume = top end speed, more Velocity = bottom end quickness. Granted, this is at the extreme levels.
What one needs to find is that middle ground. Your CAMS, Intake, Heads, Exhaust (Header) need to work together. If you go extreme on one and not the others, you will hurt your overall performance. Think Talladega vs Martinsville. Talladega, you build to get the most volume thru the engine as RPMs do not change much. Martinsville, you need acceleration which means getting the fuel as fast as possible (Velocity).
As long as he's buying typical LS mod stuff, he'll be fine. The only stuff that's going too be too big for drivability as you suggest are the crazy expensive race parts- hand made intakes, very expensive aftermarket heads, etc.
My biggest compliant with the FWD cars is the inability to change gearing. The gearing is a major factor in the above formula. You design an engine to be most efficient within specific RPMs. Whether total flat out at higher RPMs (speed) or for acceleration (quickness). It is the gearing that allows you to make the most of the design within selected RPMs. Without being able to alter the gearing, you are STUCK with limited parameters. Yes, you can MOD the car within those parameters and achieve improvement (however you define improvement) but you are still very limited with a FWD vehicle. Again, just my opinion. And yes, I am "old school" with the gray hair and scars to prove it.
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I'm just saying if the current options are good enough to put a 3800 in the 8s in addition to the 7 second runs the Ecotec drag cars were doing with them, then its plenty fine for the average street car. Being able to handle more top speed would be nice, but that's not as much a problem with gear ratio as it is with our garbage 4th gear setup.
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