View Poll Results: Member's, Do you like it ? or not ?(Multi-Choice)
I like it
10
35.71%
I don't like it
6
21.43%
I want to see & drive it first
3
10.71%
My Monte could beat it 4-Sure
13
46.43%
I hope GM makes a Sports Car in this price range to compete
11
39.29%
I will post my thoughts
3
10.71%
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New 200-hp Sports Coupe-Will it beat a Monte Carlo ?
#22
11-30-2011, 04:16 AM
DECEMBER: 2012 Toyota/Subaru FT-86 Sports Car
The joint-project sports car from Toyota and Subaru is now getting far enough along to report at least the following, even though we're certain much will change. The car is said to be very light, and to use at least two versions of Subaru's flat, 2.0-liter four, with output purported to be around 200 hp in the RWD Toyota model and 250 hp in the Subaru version. Toyota's edition bows first, reportedly late this year, and not as a Toyota, but as a Scion, with the name FR-S. The Subie, if it comes to these shores, won't arrive until mid-2012 at the soonest. Pricing for the SubaScion is expected to be in the mid-$20K range.
Last edited by Space; 11-30-2011 at 05:38 AM.
#23
11-30-2011, 04:58 AM
Engine
The Toyota GT-86 is powered by a 2.0-liter naturally-aspirated flat-four engine, the result of a joint development between Subaru and Toyota, combined with D-4S technology (direct injection combined with port injection).
With separate twin injectors for both direct and port injection, and a high compression ratio of 12.5:1, D-4S increases power and torque over a wide range of engine speeds without sacrificing fuel efficiency and environmental performance.
In the Toyota model, this engine will only deliver 200 HP at 7000 rpm and maximum torque of 151 lb-ft at 6600 rpm, but Subaru has promised a total of 300 HP for their version. That being said, the base BRZ will come with the same 200 HP that the new GT-86 is sporting, bringing these two models closer than originally anticipated. Subaru’s promised 300 HP will be present in the STI version, leading us to believe that a G-Sports variant for the GT-86 will bring forth the same amount of power.
This engine will be mated to either a six-speed manualor a six-speed automatic transmission. The manual will offer quick and precise shifts with a short-throw , while the automatic transmission will feature sporty shifts controlled by steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifts. Power will be distributed effectively to the rear wheels through a limited-slip differential.
Prices
The new Toyota GT 86 will be making its world debut in just a few days at the 2011 Tokyo Auto Show. It will go on sale in the Summer 2012. An official announcement for the North American market will most likely be made in Detroit.<~?
The pricing for the car has varied just about every time news about it comes out. It was first reported that it was going to have a price tag of somewhere around $20,000, but recent reports have come out stating that the sports coupe could come at slightly more than $25,000. Either way, 25 grand for a revolutionary newsportscoupe from Toyota sounds a lot like a bargain.
Competition
The first competitor for the new GT-86 will be its alter-ego with the Subaru badge, the Subaru FT-86. Subaru has promised that its car will look totally different from the Toyota model, as well as the advantage of offering almost 300 HP. Of course, that’s for the STI version, which Toyota may tackle with their own G-Sports variant for the GT-86. Toyota has also promised that its car will be cheaper. Who will win the battle? We’ll find out soon enough.
The Toyota GT-86 is powered by a 2.0-liter naturally-aspirated flat-four engine, the result of a joint development between Subaru and Toyota, combined with D-4S technology (direct injection combined with port injection).
With separate twin injectors for both direct and port injection, and a high compression ratio of 12.5:1, D-4S increases power and torque over a wide range of engine speeds without sacrificing fuel efficiency and environmental performance.In the Toyota model, this engine will only deliver 200 HP at 7000 rpm and maximum torque of 151 lb-ft at 6600 rpm, but Subaru has promised a total of 300 HP for their version
. That being said, the base BRZ will come with the same 200 HP that the new GT-86 is sporting, bringing these two models closer than originally anticipated. Subaru’s promised 300 HP will be present in the STI version, leading us to believe that a G-Sports variant for the GT-86 will bring forth the same amount of power.This engine will be mated to either a six-speed manual
or a six-speed automatic transmission. The manual will offer quick and precise shifts with a short-throw , while the automatic transmission will feature sporty shifts controlled by steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifts. Power will be distributed effectively to the rear wheels through a limited-slip differential.Prices
The new Toyota GT 86 will be making its world debut in just a few days at the 2011 Tokyo Auto Show. It will go on sale in the Summer 2012. An official announcement for the North American market will most likely be made in Detroit.<~?
The pricing for the car has varied just about every time news about it comes out. It was first reported that it was going to have a price tag of somewhere around $20,000, but recent reports have come out stating that the sports coupe could come at slightly more than $25,000. Either way, 25 grand for a revolutionary newsportscoupe from Toyota sounds a lot like a bargain.
Competition
The first competitor for the new GT-86 will be its alter-ego with the Subaru badge, the Subaru FT-86. Subaru has promised that its car will look totally different from the Toyota model, as well as the advantage of offering almost 300 HP. Of course, that’s for the STI version, which Toyota may tackle with their own G-Sports variant for the GT-86. Toyota has also promised that its car will be cheaper. Who will win the battle? We’ll find out soon enough.
Last edited by Space; 11-30-2011 at 05:42 AM.
#26
12-01-2011, 08:54 AM
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Southeast PA
Posts: 25,136
I wish they would have offered a Z28 in super light trim. Bare bones car with a nice v8. The way it should be lol.
And the Subaru version will NOT have more HP, it's the exact same engine and power.
And the Subaru version will NOT have more HP, it's the exact same engine and power.
#29
12-01-2011, 10:16 PM
I really like it, don't know if I'd own a toyota though. It's really a stylish version of the civic, atleast that's the crowd they're going for. I'm just curious about how much it will weigh
#30
12-02-2011, 08:12 AM
I agree, HP does not necessarily mean quicker, there are a lot of factors. This thing will probably be nearly as quick as a heavy V8 with twice the HP just because it is so light with much better mpg. 200HP stock is plenty. Throw a turbo on it and it'll be a real pocket rocket.