Did all 2006 Monte Carlos have...
i still gotta take those ugly gm ones off the side of my car...i have been slackin
Do you have any facts to back up that claim?
I don't know anything about turboed or supercharged engines; I've never had one. All I know about ethanol is what I've read, and it's not positive, despite what the government would like us to believe. You need to use more of it to get the same combustion as regular (87 octane) gasoline, so your mileage suffers. How is poor gas mileage a good thing? (especially with gas over $4/gallon these days)
I don't know anything about turboed or supercharged engines; I've never had one. All I know about ethanol is what I've read, and it's not positive, despite what the government would like us to believe. You need to use more of it to get the same combustion as regular (87 octane) gasoline, so your mileage suffers. How is poor gas mileage a good thing? (especially with gas over $4/gallon these days)
What you have read, is about people putting e85 in car not tuned for it, then whining about the gas mileage. If the car is set up for it, it can only be beneficial.
And how could you even figure 87 octane is better than e85? It costs much more, and creates knock. Hell you are probably knocking stock, running 87 through that car. Cars say premium on them for a reason.
My car for example, I was getting a good amount of knock on 87 octane. Switched to e10, world of difference, I barely see 1* right now. If I had e85 available I would run it no questions asked.
So you are getting 24 mpg instead of 29 *boosted car* Thats about 20% loss in fuel economy. But its also about 20-25% cheaper, and gains horse power. And its made in america, and its better for the environment.
From Grandprixforums :
Here's my experience with e85. I already had a very good tune on gas, and I was able to run 16psi and 16* timing on the twin-charged setup with zero KR. That seemed to be where I maxed out power. I could run more timing when the engine was cold, probably around 20*, but at operating temps, I had it dropped back to 16* to keep it safe.
I already had 65# injectors, a Racetronix fuel pump and rewire, adjustable FPR, and a fuel pressure sender tied into my scanner through the EGR. When my tank was just about empty, I drove to the station and filled up with e85. Before driving off, I changed my IFR table to reflect 25% more fuel. That was it. I drove around the next few days and monitored trims, and they were just about perfect. At the next fill, I adjusted the IFR a few percent richer. Trims still looked great, and I started taking a few WOT runs. First thing I noticed is that even in the 90+ degree heat I had zero KR, so I pushed up the timing and boost. Eventually, I was able to run 18-20psi with 18* of timing and zero KR consistently. I ran over 20psi a couple times, and even hit 23psi on one run, but I ran out of injector, and started going a little lean, and got a couple degrees of KR, so for now I'll keep it around 18psi until I can get bigger injectors. The difference is amazing. This car is stupid fast now.
I already had 65# injectors, a Racetronix fuel pump and rewire, adjustable FPR, and a fuel pressure sender tied into my scanner through the EGR. When my tank was just about empty, I drove to the station and filled up with e85. Before driving off, I changed my IFR table to reflect 25% more fuel. That was it. I drove around the next few days and monitored trims, and they were just about perfect. At the next fill, I adjusted the IFR a few percent richer. Trims still looked great, and I started taking a few WOT runs. First thing I noticed is that even in the 90+ degree heat I had zero KR, so I pushed up the timing and boost. Eventually, I was able to run 18-20psi with 18* of timing and zero KR consistently. I ran over 20psi a couple times, and even hit 23psi on one run, but I ran out of injector, and started going a little lean, and got a couple degrees of KR, so for now I'll keep it around 18psi until I can get bigger injectors. The difference is amazing. This car is stupid fast now.

The advantages of E85 are more octane, latent heat of evaporation, cheaper price, clean burning, and availability. The biggest draw back is inconsistency of mix, slow burning, increased fuel volume needs, and yes availability.
One of the things people like about it is the fact of the high octane rating. E85 is not 105 octane, it is 109 octane. Ethanol is 113 octane and gasoline is 87 octane, so an E85 mix equals 109 ((113 * .85) + (87 * .15)). E70 is 105 octane ((113 * .7) + (87 * .3)). This is why when you pull up to the pump the sticker reads minimum 70% ethanol and at least 105 octane.
Another benefit to running E85 is that it produces 3% more power (on average). We found this to be true when testing it on our 2008 Z06 (see dyno graphs here).
Latent heat of evaporation is a huge plus for blower cars with E85/E70. Pour some on your hand and you'll find that it is really cold. When a liquid evaporates, it draws heat energy out of whatever it is in contact with. The BTUs (energy) needed to evaporate ethanol are much higher than gasoline and therefore it really cools the intake tract, heads, and even the combustion chamber/pistons. In fact, it cools so well that we have to add gasoline to it to get it to fire off in cold weather--hence the need to add more gasoline to the mix during the cold winter months (E70).
Now, those are a few of the biggest reasons to run a E85/E70, but there are some other issues to consider. The need for a lot of fuel flow is a major concern. It takes an average of 30% more fuel capacity to run it. This could mean needing a bigger pump, injectors, or even rails/lines/regulator. If you have a car that runs a stand alone fuel system for the nitrous then you can get by with some good injectors and a halfway decent pump as you have a second pump to help out with fuel requirements. Same goes for a blower car running a meth kit.
What may be the biggest drawback is the change of stoichiometric value with the changing ratios of pump ethanol/gasoline mixes. Gasoline has a stoich value of 14.7:1. This means we need 14.7 parts air to one part fuel. Stoich for ethanol is 9:1, meaning you need a lot more fuel for the same amount of air. Now keep in mind the stoich value for E85 is 9.84:1, but for E70 it is 10.68:1. If you tune with E85, you'll be rich with E70. Likewise, tune with E70 and you'll be lean with E85. The only saving grace is, unlike gasoline, ethanol has a huge window when it comes to the wide open A/F ratio it likes.
So, these are just a few key factors to consider in determining if E85 is right for you. Speaking strictly for performance reasons, we think it's hard to beat!
One of the things people like about it is the fact of the high octane rating. E85 is not 105 octane, it is 109 octane. Ethanol is 113 octane and gasoline is 87 octane, so an E85 mix equals 109 ((113 * .85) + (87 * .15)). E70 is 105 octane ((113 * .7) + (87 * .3)). This is why when you pull up to the pump the sticker reads minimum 70% ethanol and at least 105 octane.
Another benefit to running E85 is that it produces 3% more power (on average). We found this to be true when testing it on our 2008 Z06 (see dyno graphs here).
Latent heat of evaporation is a huge plus for blower cars with E85/E70. Pour some on your hand and you'll find that it is really cold. When a liquid evaporates, it draws heat energy out of whatever it is in contact with. The BTUs (energy) needed to evaporate ethanol are much higher than gasoline and therefore it really cools the intake tract, heads, and even the combustion chamber/pistons. In fact, it cools so well that we have to add gasoline to it to get it to fire off in cold weather--hence the need to add more gasoline to the mix during the cold winter months (E70).
Now, those are a few of the biggest reasons to run a E85/E70, but there are some other issues to consider. The need for a lot of fuel flow is a major concern. It takes an average of 30% more fuel capacity to run it. This could mean needing a bigger pump, injectors, or even rails/lines/regulator. If you have a car that runs a stand alone fuel system for the nitrous then you can get by with some good injectors and a halfway decent pump as you have a second pump to help out with fuel requirements. Same goes for a blower car running a meth kit.
What may be the biggest drawback is the change of stoichiometric value with the changing ratios of pump ethanol/gasoline mixes. Gasoline has a stoich value of 14.7:1. This means we need 14.7 parts air to one part fuel. Stoich for ethanol is 9:1, meaning you need a lot more fuel for the same amount of air. Now keep in mind the stoich value for E85 is 9.84:1, but for E70 it is 10.68:1. If you tune with E85, you'll be rich with E70. Likewise, tune with E70 and you'll be lean with E85. The only saving grace is, unlike gasoline, ethanol has a huge window when it comes to the wide open A/F ratio it likes.
So, these are just a few key factors to consider in determining if E85 is right for you. Speaking strictly for performance reasons, we think it's hard to beat!
Last edited by Enzo354; May 10, 2011 at 05:55 PM.
Well it comes from Indiana too! havent you heard the saying there's more than corn in Indiana? We haev several local ethanol plants.
Iowa is just a big cornfield...nothing else really haha
I've got an '07 LT with FlexFuel and no logos. I don't see a lot of E85 out here, but there's a lot of it when I head back to Arkansas to see the family. I've never really paid a lot of attention to the mileage difference, but I can run from Cheyenne, WY to Nebraska City, IA on a single tank, so it never occurred to me that there might be a decrease in efficiency.
to see if your car was flex-fuel or not, get your vin# and put it in this link to see what comes up. I think it will let you know? This was posted on here by another member, I hope it helps you with what you're looking for....
http://www.compnine.com/vid.php
http://www.compnine.com/vid.php
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