- Nissan GT-R vs. Mercedes C63 AMG Black Series
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02-03-2013, 05:21 AM
- Nissan GT-R vs. Mercedes C63 AMG Black Series
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Nissan GT-R vs. Mercedes C63 AMG Black Series, the $100,000 showdown: Motoramic TV
<cite class="byline vcard">By Ezra Dyer | Motoramic – <abbr title="2013-01-25T19:01:16Z">Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:01 PM EST</abbr></cite>
If you’ve got $100,000 to spend on a brawny four-seat performance coupe, you face an interesting (and wonderful) dilemma: Do you want the ultimate version of something relatively normal, or a normal version of something that’s pretty ultimate in the first place? Representing the two camps, we corralled a $107,600 Nissan GT-R Black Edition and a $129,725 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series. The Nissan’s only option was a $280 set of floor mats. In the case of the Benz, Mercedes throws in the floor mats for free. Which is nice, because the rest of the options cost $65,720.
Yes, the C63 Black Series is the rare car that carries options worth more than the underlying vehicle itself, in this case the mighty C63 AMG coupe. With the full Black Series treatment, the Benz is a about a roll cage and gutted interior away from the starting grid at a Pirelli World Challenge race. Adjustable coil-over suspension on a street car? Yep. And a 510-hp naturally aspirated V8, flared fenders (the rear track is 3.1 inches wider than a stock C63), bigger brakes, an active differential with cooler — the Black Series equipment list is long. The result is a cost-no-object C-class, a bellowing 186-mph coupe that evokes German DTM cars.
Put it this way: very few cars can get away with an adjustable carbon fiber wing bolted to the trunk. This is one of them. Mercedes isn’t saying how many C63 Blacks they’re building, but they do say they’re all sold out. Better keep an eye on the classifieds.
The Nissan, on the other hand, was built from scratch as an all-conquering speed monster. Nissan tweaks its halo car a little bit each year, and the 2013 GT-R now sports 545 hp from its hand-built, twin-turbo V6. That power deploys through a dual clutch transmission and a torque-vectoring all-wheel-drive system that enables retina-crushing launches and physics-bending corner exits. Essentially, if there’s a piece of technology that makes a car go faster, the GT-R has it. You wouldn’t call a GT-R pretty, but it’s gorgeous in its purposefulness.
The GT-R and C63 Black approach the muscle-coupe question from completely different angles. Rear-wheel-drive versus all-wheel-drive. Automatic transmission versus dual-clutch sequential. Honkin’ huge naturally aspirated V-8 versus turbo V-6. Analog versus digital, really. The GT-R is clearly faster, but is it more fun?
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To seek wisdom on this existential question, I recruited my friend Jason Wenig, proprietor of The Creative Workshop in Dania Beach, Fla. Wenig’s company executes high-end restorations and he regularly gets wheel time in cars that most of us have never seen in person. So I’m interested to see what he thinks of the latest, greatest $100,000 efforts from modern Mercedes-Benz and Nissan.
To ensure we have room to fully exercise this two-car herd of 1,055 horsepower, we head to an abandoned airstrip. There, we learn a few things. The GT-R, despite its all-wheel-drive, will do whatever you want it to do — tail-out, tire-smoking drifts included. At full throttle, the Benz hurls thunder while the Nissan soundtrack is all intake, a symphony of shredded atmosphere. Both these cars have brakes that dig in hard enough to rip loose pebbles from the pavement at 130 mph. Oh, and you might be aware that many Benzes won’t let you fully deactivate the stability control system. This one definitely will.
By the end of the day, we’d reached some conclusions. One of us preferred the lurid slides, high-rpm V-8 and in-your-face style of the widebody Benz. The other picked the Nissan and its all-out performance, its high-tech devotion to making its driver look good. Which would you choose? It’s a great question.
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Nissan GT-R vs. Mercedes C63 AMG Black Series, the $100,000 showdown: Motoramic TV
<cite class="byline vcard">By Ezra Dyer | Motoramic – <abbr title="2013-01-25T19:01:16Z">Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:01 PM EST</abbr></cite>
If you’ve got $100,000 to spend on a brawny four-seat performance coupe, you face an interesting (and wonderful) dilemma: Do you want the ultimate version of something relatively normal, or a normal version of something that’s pretty ultimate in the first place? Representing the two camps, we corralled a $107,600 Nissan GT-R Black Edition and a $129,725 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series. The Nissan’s only option was a $280 set of floor mats. In the case of the Benz, Mercedes throws in the floor mats for free. Which is nice, because the rest of the options cost $65,720.
Yes, the C63 Black Series is the rare car that carries options worth more than the underlying vehicle itself, in this case the mighty C63 AMG coupe. With the full Black Series treatment, the Benz is a about a roll cage and gutted interior away from the starting grid at a Pirelli World Challenge race. Adjustable coil-over suspension on a street car? Yep. And a 510-hp naturally aspirated V8, flared fenders (the rear track is 3.1 inches wider than a stock C63), bigger brakes, an active differential with cooler — the Black Series equipment list is long. The result is a cost-no-object C-class, a bellowing 186-mph coupe that evokes German DTM cars.
Put it this way: very few cars can get away with an adjustable carbon fiber wing bolted to the trunk. This is one of them. Mercedes isn’t saying how many C63 Blacks they’re building, but they do say they’re all sold out. Better keep an eye on the classifieds.
The Nissan, on the other hand, was built from scratch as an all-conquering speed monster. Nissan tweaks its halo car a little bit each year, and the 2013 GT-R now sports 545 hp from its hand-built, twin-turbo V6. That power deploys through a dual clutch transmission and a torque-vectoring all-wheel-drive system that enables retina-crushing launches and physics-bending corner exits. Essentially, if there’s a piece of technology that makes a car go faster, the GT-R has it. You wouldn’t call a GT-R pretty, but it’s gorgeous in its purposefulness.
The GT-R and C63 Black approach the muscle-coupe question from completely different angles. Rear-wheel-drive versus all-wheel-drive. Automatic transmission versus dual-clutch sequential. Honkin’ huge naturally aspirated V-8 versus turbo V-6. Analog versus digital, really. The GT-R is clearly faster, but is it more fun?
<iframe height="354" src="http://autos.yahoo.com/video/nissan-gt-r-vs-mercedes-181806904.html?format=embed&player_autoplay=false" frameBorder="0" width="630" data-yom-embed-source="{media_id_1:8e6e87a1-a67a-3412-822b-af2b2e37aa97}"></iframe>
To seek wisdom on this existential question, I recruited my friend Jason Wenig, proprietor of The Creative Workshop in Dania Beach, Fla. Wenig’s company executes high-end restorations and he regularly gets wheel time in cars that most of us have never seen in person. So I’m interested to see what he thinks of the latest, greatest $100,000 efforts from modern Mercedes-Benz and Nissan.
To ensure we have room to fully exercise this two-car herd of 1,055 horsepower, we head to an abandoned airstrip. There, we learn a few things. The GT-R, despite its all-wheel-drive, will do whatever you want it to do — tail-out, tire-smoking drifts included. At full throttle, the Benz hurls thunder while the Nissan soundtrack is all intake, a symphony of shredded atmosphere. Both these cars have brakes that dig in hard enough to rip loose pebbles from the pavement at 130 mph. Oh, and you might be aware that many Benzes won’t let you fully deactivate the stability control system. This one definitely will.
By the end of the day, we’d reached some conclusions. One of us preferred the lurid slides, high-rpm V-8 and in-your-face style of the widebody Benz. The other picked the Nissan and its all-out performance, its high-tech devotion to making its driver look good. Which would you choose? It’s a great question.
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Hi `Devin, I like them both, but they are way to expensive for my auto budget
but, `if I won the Big Lotto I'd get them both + a new ZR`1.....Then invite my friends to drive them on my newly built race track (lol)...WoW, my dreams are expensive ones 
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With four seats and 510 bhp, this new Black Series carries a big stick.
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Everyone's favorite DTM-inspired street car returns with the all-new 2012 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Coupe Black Series. As the fourth offering in the 5-year history of this limited line, the latest Black Series will, for the first time, look to satisfy the needs of a whole family—namely providing the option of rear seats.
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Endowed with a raucous 6.2-liter V-8 fortified with forged internals from the SLS AMG, the Black Series fires out through its quad exhaust pipes a very deep and mechanical blaatt to the tune of 510 bhp and 457 lb.-ft. of torque. What separates this engine from the AMG Development Package equipped V-8 of the regular C63, among other things, is a redesigned crankcase that omits the vent holes between cylinders, significantly reducing piston ring friction and freeing up nearly 27 bhp. Mercedes says the C63 Black Series will hit 60 mph in 4.2 seconds—we think it'll do it in 4.0 flat.
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Putting the power to ground via the 285-width rear tires is the 7-speed multi-clutch transmission that's been widely implemented in many of Mercedes performance products to date. There's good response from this unit that performs beautifully rev-matched downshifts, initiated by a simple flick of a steering-wheel-mounted paddle. Unfortunately, M-B is sticking to its guns and not offering a manual transmission. We'll forgive them for now.
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As you might have expected, this C-Class has gained a little width. New front fenders actually extend out 2.2-in. to house the 255-width front tires and 1.6-in-wider front track, while the rear fenders balloon an impressive 3.3-in. to help accommodate a 3.1-in. growth in track. Not just for looks, this wider stance complements the new AMG-tuned adjustable coil-over suspension and forged 19-in. wheels, which cut unsprung mass by 24.2 lb. Large, steel two-piece rotors (15.4-in. front, 14.2-in rear) with 6 and 4-piston fixed calipers (front and rear, respectively) are responsible for bringing this Ubercoupe to a halt. Mercedes says these discs met their braking performance marks, so they aren't offering a carbon-ceramic disc option.
What they are offering in terms of options, however, is an AMG Track Package as well as an Aerodynamics Package. The former equips your Black Series with Dunlop Cup tires, specifically developed for this C63 for track purposes, as well as active cooling for the rear limited-slip differential. The Aerodynamics package gives you Time Attack style points with front canards and a fixed carbon-fiber spoiler, which features an adjustable aerofoil. Not just for looks, these pieces are said to significantly increase downforce and improve the aero balance of the C63 Black Series. So much so, in fact, that you can't get it with rear seats because the weight and force over the rear axle will exceed allowable limits.
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Although the photos show fixed-back seats (that save 22 lb), they do not have the U.S. mandated side-impact protection. In the U.S., we will most likely get the current (but still very supportive) C63 AMG buckets. Additionally since all the U.S. sold C-Class Coupes come with the panoramic glass roof (and have been crash-tested that way), the steel roof—which takes 13 to 18 lb. away from the highest point of the car—will be exclusive to non-U.S. bound cars. Hey, at least we can appreciate the stars at night.
Final production numbers have yet to be determined, but Mercedes expects to maintain a pretty strict level of exclusivity with the newest Black Series model. Rumors suggest a number as low as 300 (eek!) but we don't buy it, given that Mercedes plans to offer six color options (silver, red, black, matte black, matte gray, matte white). As for price, we'd estimate something around $70,000 range when the car goes on sale in March 2012.
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