Knock issue
#1
Knock issue
Ok so I got my new pulley on (3.4) and it seems im having some knock issue when the intake pipe gets heat soaked.. Seems when the intake gets above 75 or so, at full throttle, randomly i will get between 2 and 6.5* of KR.. What can I do to eliminate this..
The car has full custom exhaust from headers back and a fender well intake. Iridium equivalent 104s (I actually think this is the issue because before I swapped pulleys I went from autolite 104s to the iridium equivalent and was getting 1-1.5* just from the plug swap alone) and the pcm is tuned by milzy..
I also wonder if its possible for the PCM to revert itself back to stock settings??
Should I go back to the autolite 104s, the copper ones or should I just go to the 103s? Or should I try a PCM from ZZP or something instead??
Any help greatly appreciated.. Thanks.
Oh, the car has a 180* tstat but the car never gets above 180 anyway..
The car has full custom exhaust from headers back and a fender well intake. Iridium equivalent 104s (I actually think this is the issue because before I swapped pulleys I went from autolite 104s to the iridium equivalent and was getting 1-1.5* just from the plug swap alone) and the pcm is tuned by milzy..
I also wonder if its possible for the PCM to revert itself back to stock settings??
Should I go back to the autolite 104s, the copper ones or should I just go to the 103s? Or should I try a PCM from ZZP or something instead??
Any help greatly appreciated.. Thanks.
Oh, the car has a 180* tstat but the car never gets above 180 anyway..
Last edited by wht02monte; 04-17-2019 at 08:16 AM.
#2
TBH, you dont really have a lot of knock reducing mods so KR isnt totally unexpected. Best course of action is to add more mods.
The car has full custom exhaust from headers back and a fender well intake. Iridium equivalent 104s (I actually think this is the issue because before I swapped pulleys I went from autolite 104s to the iridium equivalent and was getting 1-1.5* just from the plug swap alone) and the pcm is tuned by milzy..
I also wonder if its possible for the PCM to revert itself back to stock settings??
Should I go back to the autolite 104s, the copper ones or should I just go to the 103s? Or should I try a PCM from ZZP or something instead??
I dont think switching vendor pcms is the issue either. If this is real KR and assuming no maintenance issues, all a tune is going to do is permanently take that timing back out. Unless the Milzy pcm is commanding crazy high base timing, a 6 degree drop is a ton and will probably put you near single digits of actual timing.
I'd swap back plugs, check for maintenance issue, check to see if its real KR, and then either:
-pulley up
-add more mods to directly reduce knock
#4
Autolite 104's work pretty good on a 3.4 pulley (if it's an L67, not a top swap). What are your plugs gapped at? I think mine were around .055 but that's been a while ago.
That being said, I had upwards of 9* of KR on a 3.4 pulley with your same mods (minus headers, had a Plog and 3" downpipe), plus I had a ported TB and ported blower.
Ported the heads and it dropped to 1* on hot days. You may need to add rockers, a cam, ported heads, or an IC to run that pulley or smaller.
That being said, I had upwards of 9* of KR on a 3.4 pulley with your same mods (minus headers, had a Plog and 3" downpipe), plus I had a ported TB and ported blower.
Ported the heads and it dropped to 1* on hot days. You may need to add rockers, a cam, ported heads, or an IC to run that pulley or smaller.
#5
Certainly 104s work, but it seems like people get better longevity out of 605s with few bolt ons (and given the already short life of copper can be a notable benefit).
I think with 104s being 2 heat ranges colder than stock, that any 3.4" setup is going to be at the outer limits of this plugs range as it's not really making that much more power / heat than stock. If they're on a daily driver that spends most of it's time out of WOT, you run the risk of fouling up the plugs early.
I think with 104s being 2 heat ranges colder than stock, that any 3.4" setup is going to be at the outer limits of this plugs range as it's not really making that much more power / heat than stock. If they're on a daily driver that spends most of it's time out of WOT, you run the risk of fouling up the plugs early.
Last edited by bumpin96monte; 04-18-2019 at 08:03 AM.
#6
Alright, thanks guys. I thought any KR at all could be damaging. I def feel a little better now tho. Guess Ill do the rockers first or how bad is the cam to do. I would certainly prefer the cam over rockers.
And yea, these engines do not like anything but copper plugs. Wow! Its hitting about 2.5 with blips of 5-6 randomly.
Im still gonna get the fuel trim readings but its been raining all day and I just cleaned it.
I have the plugs gapped at .055
And yea, these engines do not like anything but copper plugs. Wow! Its hitting about 2.5 with blips of 5-6 randomly.
Im still gonna get the fuel trim readings but its been raining all day and I just cleaned it.
I have the plugs gapped at .055
#7
Guess Ill do the rockers first or how bad is the cam to do. I would certainly prefer the cam over rockers.
A cam sucks due to FWD. You can visually look and see where the cam sits, just above the balancer. Now imagine pulling a shaft the length of the engine out of there. Other fun parts include pulling and reinstalling the balancer and changing springs.
No doubt a cam is way better for power, it's just a tough job.
Last edited by bumpin96monte; 04-18-2019 at 10:01 PM.
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