the supercharger in the car would cause it to destroy a 3.9l off the line just because how a supercharger throws power across the dyno curve. I personally love all monte engines, except my 3400. I have it modded out to the point where when I race 3800 s/c and N/A, I always beat the n/a even with slight mods. The 3800 s/c is just simply a beast for a v-6 and my 3400 does not stand a chance to the VVT on the 3.9

 

wiz, this is the kind of thing i love to see. i recently ran into a thread where some guy was asking about perf mods, or the lack thereof, for his 5.3 mcss. some jackass came back with...

Whoa...first off, if I were you, I would save the embarrassment! There is almost no way in the world that a Chevy Monte Carlo will beat a Mustang...just back out of it now!!!

that was a pretty bold statement to make. i don't think the fool realizes he's talking about are car that weighs less than a mustang with virtually the same hp/tq (300/320 gt, 303/323 ss).
the fact that you say you have no problems taking on 4.6 mustangs (with your sc 3.8l mc)makesthe statement made by the above buffoon even more ridiculouswhen he's talking about the 5.3l v8. i think the guy is probably afraid that the ss mc would smoke the gt mustang & does not want to find out that he owns a slug.
in the end it does not matter which car is faster. i'd rather push a chevy than drive a ford

cheers,
glenn

 

You're beating 3800's you say? Even those with slight mods? Now I know what I can look forward too![sm=gears.gif]

Oh so true. I had to drive around an '85 F-150 for work last summer. It was only for a few weeks, but man I hated that thing.[sm=headbang.gif]

 

I might be wrong, but I think Caine was referring to the 3800 series III Buick Engine.

 

A couple of final thoughts on the LaCrosse since I returned it today.

(Too bad the Montes interiors are based on a 10 year old design. They could use a couple of the following touches.)

The simulated wood grain was a very nice touch.

The lighted indicator on the console for theshifter is always nice.

The rubberized compartments in the console are huge.

The rubberized, closed bottom, door handles on the inside are bitchin' for cell phones.

The stereo system blows the LTZ system out of the water with the tweeters on the A-posts and probably 600 watt subs in the doors.

The Odometer and Tripmeter on at the same time.

The option to turn off all of theannoying chimes for traction or autolights or seatbelts.

A small warning light with a "?" mark that tells you the autolights are off.

The seats were much more comfortable than the Monte.

3-lighter jacks in the rear seating area.

....and a few more things that I may have forgotten.

 

So what's the difference between the 3800 series III and II engine - I thought GM dropped the 3800 engine?

 

From Wikepedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_3800_engine

Series III
The Series III motors include many changes. The upper intake manifold is now aluminum on the naturally aspirated models. Intake ports are midly improved, 1.83" intake valves (instead of 1.80" as on Series II) and 1.52" exhaust valves were introduced in 2003 engines, just before switching to Series III. Electronic throttle control is added to all versions, as is returnless fuel injection. Stronger powdered metal sinter forged connecting rods are used in 2004+ supercharged, and 2005+ naturally aspirated engines, instead of the cast iron style from Series II engines. Emissions are also reduced. In 2005, it was the first gasoline engine in the industry to attain SULEV (Super Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle).
Also note that Series III engines are the base for any 3800 produced for the 2004 year and up. This means the same block, heads, & connecting rods apply to any remaining Series II engines made after 2004 also. The difference is that Series III engines received the new superchargers (if equipped), intake manifolds, fuel systems, and electronics.

 

I just bought a 2002 monte SS w/only 40000mi from a friendbecause my 07 Grand Prix died they both have 3800 but to my disappointment the Grad Prix would blow it away. I have even chipped it and the Grand Prix was stock.

 

Gm is still using the 3800 and 3800 sc in current autos. The engine dates back to the 70's. It's a very strong engine and in s/c form very easy to mod and make insane hp. I had a 98 GTP and with an intake, Borla cat-back, u-bend delete, smaller pulley and other supporting mods was making somewhere around 290-300. It is was a daily driver with no problems. I should have never parted with that car and got the LTZ. Although I like the new monte it isn't that kewl of a car.

 

I read that the 3800 was voted the engine of the century by one of the major magazines.

I belive Space has the link to that somewhere.