6th Gen ('00-'05): Please help with a plan!
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Please help with a plan!
I would like to start building my 02 SS up:
That being said i could use some tips on how.
I would really like to get it boosted. I would love a supercharger but i have a T3 T70 turbo (no piping just the unit). Can anyone offer some advice on that? Which to go with and can you point me in the direction of a cheap supercharger with everything ?
Also what else could I add for some HP and TQ. I have a K&N CAI (even if it doesnt work that debate is for another day.)
Please Help me out guys, From one Monte driver to another... I just want it to be faster than all these mustangs....
-JD
That being said i could use some tips on how.
I would really like to get it boosted. I would love a supercharger but i have a T3 T70 turbo (no piping just the unit). Can anyone offer some advice on that? Which to go with and can you point me in the direction of a cheap supercharger with everything ?
Also what else could I add for some HP and TQ. I have a K&N CAI (even if it doesnt work that debate is for another day.)
Please Help me out guys, From one Monte driver to another... I just want it to be faster than all these mustangs....
-JD
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Joined: May 2013
Posts: 3,052
From: Brockville Ontario
-CAI/FWI (hot air intakes- where the filter is exposed to hot engine bay air tend to hurt power), $50-300, power gains are fairly minimal.
-rockers (ER ratio rockers are preferred for NA engines), $225-450, and tend to be one of the best bang for the buck mods- especially if you get modded stock rockers. If you plan to go further and get a cam at any time- skip these.
-downpipe (2.5" is preferred for NA, 3" if you plan to go top swapped) $90 no cat/ $180 with cat ++. This takes care of the ubend delete as well. A pretty distant 2nd in bang for the buck compared to rockers. If you plan to get headers down the road, skip this.
-HV3 (intake insert from ZZP), claimed 9 whp peak gain, 30 whp gain at 6000 rpm. This mod does move your powerband up the rpm range, although it is not as noticeable as with the HV2- but it is something to keep in mind. $200+ gasket. Definitely noticeable up top- unfortunately you do lose a little down low.
-Ported Throttle Body, this is getting lower on the bang for buck as far as mods go. They run $180-300+ depending on the level of porting and claim 10 CRANK hp (~3 whp).
-Headers, not really a great bang for the buck unless you get used headers. The only ones reccomended for basic bolt on L36's are the S&S headers due to their smaller size- all the rest of the headers are designed for use with modded L67s, and you will lose bottom end with them. $300++
-PCM tuning, can be a decent gain depending on the company who does the tune- it can vary wildly. Basic 'canned' pcm's they send to you have the least gain (they have to set up on the safe end- but only run $100 and get rid of many annoyances with torque management and also get rid of the top speed limiter. A custom tune, or buying your own tuner (~$400+) is kindof out of the scope of someone doing basic bolt ons to an L36. It would give more power, but you have to consider the cost compared to other options.
-other mods, there are many other mods that gain miniscule power gains that you can consider such as underdrive pulleys, cat back exhaust work, 180* thermostat, and so on- but its up to you how much you want to keep spending for a basic bolt on car.
You need to ask yourself what do you want to do with your car, if you are looking for a nice daily driver with some upgrades you don't have to spend too much money to get some nice gain but the top swap will give you the most power
-rockers (ER ratio rockers are preferred for NA engines), $225-450, and tend to be one of the best bang for the buck mods- especially if you get modded stock rockers. If you plan to go further and get a cam at any time- skip these.
-downpipe (2.5" is preferred for NA, 3" if you plan to go top swapped) $90 no cat/ $180 with cat ++. This takes care of the ubend delete as well. A pretty distant 2nd in bang for the buck compared to rockers. If you plan to get headers down the road, skip this.
-HV3 (intake insert from ZZP), claimed 9 whp peak gain, 30 whp gain at 6000 rpm. This mod does move your powerband up the rpm range, although it is not as noticeable as with the HV2- but it is something to keep in mind. $200+ gasket. Definitely noticeable up top- unfortunately you do lose a little down low.
-Ported Throttle Body, this is getting lower on the bang for buck as far as mods go. They run $180-300+ depending on the level of porting and claim 10 CRANK hp (~3 whp).
-Headers, not really a great bang for the buck unless you get used headers. The only ones reccomended for basic bolt on L36's are the S&S headers due to their smaller size- all the rest of the headers are designed for use with modded L67s, and you will lose bottom end with them. $300++
-PCM tuning, can be a decent gain depending on the company who does the tune- it can vary wildly. Basic 'canned' pcm's they send to you have the least gain (they have to set up on the safe end- but only run $100 and get rid of many annoyances with torque management and also get rid of the top speed limiter. A custom tune, or buying your own tuner (~$400+) is kindof out of the scope of someone doing basic bolt ons to an L36. It would give more power, but you have to consider the cost compared to other options.
-other mods, there are many other mods that gain miniscule power gains that you can consider such as underdrive pulleys, cat back exhaust work, 180* thermostat, and so on- but its up to you how much you want to keep spending for a basic bolt on car.
You need to ask yourself what do you want to do with your car, if you are looking for a nice daily driver with some upgrades you don't have to spend too much money to get some nice gain but the top swap will give you the most power
Monte Of The Month -- April 2015
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 3,052
From: Brockville Ontario
Here is a link for a turbo kit that will bolt on in about 6 hours if you know what you are doing
ZZPerformance - ZZP Z7 Turbo Kit #ZZ-Z7TK
ZZPerformance - ZZP Z7 Turbo Kit #ZZ-Z7TK
Monte Of The Month -- April 2015
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 3,052
From: Brockville Ontario
and here is a link to one members L67 top swap story, it has lots of information and pics to assist should you decide to go this route.
https://montecarloforum.com/forum/en...ts-pics-14487/
best of luck in whichever path you choose
https://montecarloforum.com/forum/en...ts-pics-14487/
best of luck in whichever path you choose
If you have a l67 then you are already supercharged and seeing as how you have a 2002 they never came with a l67 unless it was swapped in. Stock engine for this car is an l36.
Turbo costs more but will make the most power. supercharged is cheaper and still makes good power but not as much as a turbo build.
If you want gains high enough to beat a mustang you need boost. A regular n/a 3800 even modded will not do it.
finally if your planning to make this kind of power to beat mustangs etc plan on getting a built trans from dave at triple edge performance.
Turbo costs more but will make the most power. supercharged is cheaper and still makes good power but not as much as a turbo build.
If you want gains high enough to beat a mustang you need boost. A regular n/a 3800 even modded will not do it.
finally if your planning to make this kind of power to beat mustangs etc plan on getting a built trans from dave at triple edge performance.
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-CAI/FWI (hot air intakes- where the filter is exposed to hot engine bay air tend to hurt power), $50-300, power gains are fairly minimal.
-rockers (ER ratio rockers are preferred for NA engines), $225-450, and tend to be one of the best bang for the buck mods- especially if you get modded stock rockers. If you plan to go further and get a cam at any time- skip these.
-downpipe (2.5" is preferred for NA, 3" if you plan to go top swapped) $90 no cat/ $180 with cat ++. This takes care of the ubend delete as well. A pretty distant 2nd in bang for the buck compared to rockers. If you plan to get headers down the road, skip this.
-HV3 (intake insert from ZZP), claimed 9 whp peak gain, 30 whp gain at 6000 rpm. This mod does move your powerband up the rpm range, although it is not as noticeable as with the HV2- but it is something to keep in mind. $200+ gasket. Definitely noticeable up top- unfortunately you do lose a little down low.
-Ported Throttle Body, this is getting lower on the bang for buck as far as mods go. They run $180-300+ depending on the level of porting and claim 10 CRANK hp (~3 whp).
-Headers, not really a great bang for the buck unless you get used headers. The only ones reccomended for basic bolt on L36's are the S&S headers due to their smaller size- all the rest of the headers are designed for use with modded L67s, and you will lose bottom end with them. $300++
-PCM tuning, can be a decent gain depending on the company who does the tune- it can vary wildly. Basic 'canned' pcm's they send to you have the least gain (they have to set up on the safe end- but only run $100 and get rid of many annoyances with torque management and also get rid of the top speed limiter. A custom tune, or buying your own tuner (~$400+) is kindof out of the scope of someone doing basic bolt ons to an L36. It would give more power, but you have to consider the cost compared to other options.
-other mods, there are many other mods that gain miniscule power gains that you can consider such as underdrive pulleys, cat back exhaust work, 180* thermostat, and so on- but its up to you how much you want to keep spending for a basic bolt on car.
You need to ask yourself what do you want to do with your car, if you are looking for a nice daily driver with some upgrades you don't have to spend too much money to get some nice gain but the top swap will give you the most power
-rockers (ER ratio rockers are preferred for NA engines), $225-450, and tend to be one of the best bang for the buck mods- especially if you get modded stock rockers. If you plan to go further and get a cam at any time- skip these.
-downpipe (2.5" is preferred for NA, 3" if you plan to go top swapped) $90 no cat/ $180 with cat ++. This takes care of the ubend delete as well. A pretty distant 2nd in bang for the buck compared to rockers. If you plan to get headers down the road, skip this.
-HV3 (intake insert from ZZP), claimed 9 whp peak gain, 30 whp gain at 6000 rpm. This mod does move your powerband up the rpm range, although it is not as noticeable as with the HV2- but it is something to keep in mind. $200+ gasket. Definitely noticeable up top- unfortunately you do lose a little down low.
-Ported Throttle Body, this is getting lower on the bang for buck as far as mods go. They run $180-300+ depending on the level of porting and claim 10 CRANK hp (~3 whp).
-Headers, not really a great bang for the buck unless you get used headers. The only ones reccomended for basic bolt on L36's are the S&S headers due to their smaller size- all the rest of the headers are designed for use with modded L67s, and you will lose bottom end with them. $300++
-PCM tuning, can be a decent gain depending on the company who does the tune- it can vary wildly. Basic 'canned' pcm's they send to you have the least gain (they have to set up on the safe end- but only run $100 and get rid of many annoyances with torque management and also get rid of the top speed limiter. A custom tune, or buying your own tuner (~$400+) is kindof out of the scope of someone doing basic bolt ons to an L36. It would give more power, but you have to consider the cost compared to other options.
-other mods, there are many other mods that gain miniscule power gains that you can consider such as underdrive pulleys, cat back exhaust work, 180* thermostat, and so on- but its up to you how much you want to keep spending for a basic bolt on car.
You need to ask yourself what do you want to do with your car, if you are looking for a nice daily driver with some upgrades you don't have to spend too much money to get some nice gain but the top swap will give you the most power
IMO $2000 spent modding an NA L36 is a waste of money, especially a rockers only car (ie no cam). You get a much better bang for your buck out of some sort of boost. You can do an L67 supercharger top swap (search top swap) for well under $1000 nowadays. You could probably even pick up a used turbo kit for $2k.
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