Intake Build: Novi Paxton Migration
#11
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Mentor, Ohio
Posts: 12,236
Thanks for posting, this is cool to look at!
I hadn't heard about these in probably a decade, and now I see two people actively playing with CSCs (theres a big one on the FB 3800 right now too).
Curious- it looks non IC'D, what do you do about charge cooling? Just run a huge pulley?
Not sure if you know, but any idea why it has a divided outlet? I've never seen a CSC with that before.
I hadn't heard about these in probably a decade, and now I see two people actively playing with CSCs (theres a big one on the FB 3800 right now too).
Curious- it looks non IC'D, what do you do about charge cooling? Just run a huge pulley?
Not sure if you know, but any idea why it has a divided outlet? I've never seen a CSC with that before.
This is currently non IC'ed. There is currently no cooling (charge pipe goes from the Novi into the throttle body). It is running a 4in accessory pulley. I am trying to see about having a 3.75in pulley made (as the black Monte was running knock free). Just some stuff to play with.
As for the divided outlet, I have no clue. I have not researched that (nor have I consulted with other Novi owners to see if that is typical).
I may not be as fast as Terrell with updates, but I hope to make steady progress (at least a lot of prep work at the moment and then around spring finish the swap over). I am faced with some problems when it comes to working on this project at the moment. The black Monte is parked outside under a car cover and the blue Monte is in my sister's garage (to which I cannot disable the car and hog the garage unless it is back to working in the same day I start a project). Plus, I am trying to prep a couple nice things for the black Monte (as I transition the Novi off of it). Heck, I junk yard picked a second fuel rail so I did not have to pull the current one off the black Monte.
#12
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Mentor, Ohio
Posts: 12,236
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#14
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Mentor, Ohio
Posts: 12,236
That's the best, and IMO my favorite kind of stuff to look at at car shows. I absolutely love the LS, but I'll admit its really made the car show scene so boring when 50%+ of the cars basically have the same general engine. Makes it that much more refreshing to see something like a csc 3800.
#15
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Mentor, Ohio
Posts: 12,236
Some may or may not know, but the RWD F-Body 3800 (Camaro and Firebird) to my knowledge is the ONLY 3800 in the U.S. with aluminum valve covers. Years ago, I put aluminum valve covers on my blue Monte. I admit, when I got the valve covers, someone else had refinished them (so I just slapped them on the car). With moving the Novi to the blue car, I hear there is a need to block the original PCV (between the intake and throttle body) and use a PCV breather. I still have some unanswered questions on this. Such as, since I run a L26 UIM, could I just run a breather on the PCV stack. So, I am simply preparing for a breather on the valve cover. *IF* I need one, I want keep my custom oil cap on the front valve cover. Since I don't know how to finish a valve cover like the ones I am using, I am preparing two f-body covers that use the oil cap. I got one online and the other I pulled myself (what a pain, because of where GM put a engine lift bracket).
I don't have the F-body angled cap extension, for now just generic plastic caps.
Sadly, I have no good before pics. The one cover on the top side was black with gunk all over it. The inside of both covers was caked in old oil (shades of black and brown). I am actually pretty surprised. Cleaned these with Purple Power, LA's Totally Awesome and Simple Green. Sprayed and agitated with a few different brushes and rinsed off with hot water. Insides look almost clean enough to eat off of. Top sides still need work. But I plan to used some tools to give a "brushed" metal look (like I did on the upper intake on the blue Monte).
I don't have the F-body angled cap extension, for now just generic plastic caps.
Sadly, I have no good before pics. The one cover on the top side was black with gunk all over it. The inside of both covers was caked in old oil (shades of black and brown). I am actually pretty surprised. Cleaned these with Purple Power, LA's Totally Awesome and Simple Green. Sprayed and agitated with a few different brushes and rinsed off with hot water. Insides look almost clean enough to eat off of. Top sides still need work. But I plan to used some tools to give a "brushed" metal look (like I did on the upper intake on the blue Monte).
#17
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Mentor, Ohio
Posts: 12,236
To be honest, I am not sure what all options I have for a PCV setup. I know plugging the stock PCV and a breather on a valve cover works (it's what Mike originally did with the black Monte). I get into the questions "is that really required and if so, why".
Such as, what problems happen if I keep my current PCV. Currently, I am running a L26 UIM with a L67 throttle body, I have fitting on the side of the L67 throttle body (before the throttle plate, after the MAF sensor) that is connected to the PCV stack on the top of the L26 UIM. Could this work out fine? Or does having the Novi and boost create a problem for this PCV system? Does the boost result in not just a problem for the factory PCV system but also requires a bigger venting system, hence a valve cover breather (as that is a wider opening to vent vs the factory stack on the L26 UIM). Does any of these issues change with the addition of a Blow Off Valve (currently not on the black Monte, but will be used on the blue Monte)?
To plug the factory PCV, I have to cap the PCV stack on the UIM and I have to cap the location where I have a fitting on the throttle body. If all I need is a breather on the PCV stack and that solves things, then I am more than happy to basically do just that. I could even move the breather to a location to be more pleasing for appearance.
Below are pics about the current configuration. One of the things I loved about it, it is simple and almost looks like something the factory would have done.
Such as, what problems happen if I keep my current PCV. Currently, I am running a L26 UIM with a L67 throttle body, I have fitting on the side of the L67 throttle body (before the throttle plate, after the MAF sensor) that is connected to the PCV stack on the top of the L26 UIM. Could this work out fine? Or does having the Novi and boost create a problem for this PCV system? Does the boost result in not just a problem for the factory PCV system but also requires a bigger venting system, hence a valve cover breather (as that is a wider opening to vent vs the factory stack on the L26 UIM). Does any of these issues change with the addition of a Blow Off Valve (currently not on the black Monte, but will be used on the blue Monte)?
To plug the factory PCV, I have to cap the PCV stack on the UIM and I have to cap the location where I have a fitting on the throttle body. If all I need is a breather on the PCV stack and that solves things, then I am more than happy to basically do just that. I could even move the breather to a location to be more pleasing for appearance.
Below are pics about the current configuration. One of the things I loved about it, it is simple and almost looks like something the factory would have done.
#18
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Mentor, Ohio
Posts: 12,236
This is not much of an update.... I am waiting on some things with powder coating and the weather sucks (and the black Monte is outside, so, eh, not much more work there at the moment).
So, I love stainless hardware. It's clean and never rusts. As I work to migrate the Novi Paxton to the blue Monte, the hardware is being refreshed with stainless. The cog in the pictures below has side panels held in with screws. I could not find them locally. I worked with a company years ago called AlloyBoltz. I sent them one and they matched it to stainless. So I switched them around no to stainless.
For the record, I think the blue Monte has a small fortune in stainless hardware on it lol.
So, I love stainless hardware. It's clean and never rusts. As I work to migrate the Novi Paxton to the blue Monte, the hardware is being refreshed with stainless. The cog in the pictures below has side panels held in with screws. I could not find them locally. I worked with a company years ago called AlloyBoltz. I sent them one and they matched it to stainless. So I switched them around no to stainless.
For the record, I think the blue Monte has a small fortune in stainless hardware on it lol.
#19
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Mentor, Ohio
Posts: 12,236
OH, and another topic. So I have gotten curious "why do people block off the factory PCV and put a valve cover breather on instead" when dealing with boost before the throttle body (such as a turbo). I was wondering if the issue is that boost prevents the factory PCV system from working OR if the engine needs to release more volume.
I watched this video and even though this guy is dealing with a non-GM, the logic seems to make sense. EXCEPT, he keeps the factory PCV system in place. He mentioned a valve cover breather that uses a check valve in it. This means it ONLY releases pressured gases and does not take any extra in unmetered air into the engine. That being said, I am tempted to give this a try on the blue Monte and see how it pans out.
Here is the breather (with the check valve):
https://www.c-f-m.com/performancepar...S7-766p230.htm
And here is the video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C8FeYQQBXyM
I watched this video and even though this guy is dealing with a non-GM, the logic seems to make sense. EXCEPT, he keeps the factory PCV system in place. He mentioned a valve cover breather that uses a check valve in it. This means it ONLY releases pressured gases and does not take any extra in unmetered air into the engine. That being said, I am tempted to give this a try on the blue Monte and see how it pans out.
Here is the breather (with the check valve):
https://www.c-f-m.com/performancepar...S7-766p230.htm
And here is the video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C8FeYQQBXyM
#20
I still run my factory PCV set up. The general consensus seems to be that with a turbo set up one has to block theirs off. Matt kept it on my build, says Ford, Gm etc. turbo systems all have PCV setups. I do have a catch can set up (see welded braided line connection at valve cover,) but like you inclined, no unsightly breather cap that spews oil out all over the valve cover. So if you can, keep it on yours too.
Last edited by ZIPPY02; 01-11-2022 at 12:44 AM.