eaton M62 on 3400?
#31
i guess i just like the supercharger whine more, how much would a turbo be with decent supporting mods? id assume a little cheaper? i think mike at milzy has one now? now you guys have me second guessing haha
With a TC kit- if the 60* engines are anything like the 3800s, you can just block off the stock downpipe connection on the rear manifold (forces the rear exhaust gases to come back up the crossover pipe)- then replace the crossover pipe with a turbo mount- and connect the turbo outlet to the stock exhaust with a new downpipe. So all you need there is a blockoff plate, a custom crossover pipe, a new downpipe, and intake plumbing.
I looked on MMS, and couldn't find a 3400 turbo kit, other than the one for the Nbody. I will say though, I've seen some negative threads about doing business with him over the last year or so- so I'd definitely read through those first before I decided to drop $5000 with him. Not saying he's good or bad- I only ordered 1 part from him, and that was something he just got from Ed Morad's and shipped to me.
either way i would prefer to keep this car, any ideas on supercharging or turboing the 5.3s? because im looking at getting one of those after college but either way i also wanna supercharge or turbo one or the other
http://www.cartuning.ca/products/pro...rlo&engine=ls4
* Turbonetics T66 Turbo
* Turbonetics Evolution wastegate
* Cartuning 50mm Blow-off valve
* Custom-made stainless steel exhaust crossover assembly mating to stock exhaust manifolds
* Custom-made mandrel bent TIG-welded 2.5" stainless steel downpipe with high-flow LEV catalytic Converter — outlet bolts directly to the stock/Borla/DynoMax/SLP exhaust system
* Custom oversized Cartuning all-aluminum intercooler
* All pipes ceramic coated (exhaust) or powder coated (charge)
* DHM electric exhaust cutout with cabin remote switch, prewelded on downpipe
* Brand new flow-matched Cartuning-spec Magnetti Marelli 42.5 lb/hr fuel injectors
* Full methanol injection system
* Custom Reprogrammed PCM and TCM adjusts for fuel/timing/shifting/etc
* Racetronix fuel pump rewire kit
* Stainless-braided AN oil lines and custom adaptor for oil return
* 4T65E transmission shift kit
* 4-ply black silicone connectors
* Silicone vacuum hose (for connection to wastegate, BOV)
* All PCV solutions
* Lokar stainless flexible transmission dipstick
* High-flow K&N air filter
* Stainless T-bolt band clamps
* All required bolts, nuts, and washers (grade 8 hardware)
* O2 sensor plug
* All gaskets for mating surfaces
* Anti-seize and thread locker mini-paks
* PCV modification hardware and specialized tools
* 180 deg. Thermostat
* 2 range colder spark plugs
* Full instruction set on CD-ROM
* Turbonetics Evolution wastegate
* Cartuning 50mm Blow-off valve
* Custom-made stainless steel exhaust crossover assembly mating to stock exhaust manifolds
* Custom-made mandrel bent TIG-welded 2.5" stainless steel downpipe with high-flow LEV catalytic Converter — outlet bolts directly to the stock/Borla/DynoMax/SLP exhaust system
* Custom oversized Cartuning all-aluminum intercooler
* All pipes ceramic coated (exhaust) or powder coated (charge)
* DHM electric exhaust cutout with cabin remote switch, prewelded on downpipe
* Brand new flow-matched Cartuning-spec Magnetti Marelli 42.5 lb/hr fuel injectors
* Full methanol injection system
* Custom Reprogrammed PCM and TCM adjusts for fuel/timing/shifting/etc
* Racetronix fuel pump rewire kit
* Stainless-braided AN oil lines and custom adaptor for oil return
* 4T65E transmission shift kit
* 4-ply black silicone connectors
* Silicone vacuum hose (for connection to wastegate, BOV)
* All PCV solutions
* Lokar stainless flexible transmission dipstick
* High-flow K&N air filter
* Stainless T-bolt band clamps
* All required bolts, nuts, and washers (grade 8 hardware)
* O2 sensor plug
* All gaskets for mating surfaces
* Anti-seize and thread locker mini-paks
* PCV modification hardware and specialized tools
* 180 deg. Thermostat
* 2 range colder spark plugs
* Full instruction set on CD-ROM
With the exception of a valve cover breather which doesn't comply with CARB regulations, Cartuning turbo kits blow exhaust out the tailpipe as clean as your factory car did! Our high flow catalytic converter is OBD-2 compliant and does a great job of cleaning up emissions. We leave EGR fully intact in our software and kits to ensure great mileage and a clean environment!
To further help things, most customers have reported a 2- 4 MPG GAIN in efficiency after installing their turbo kit! This means it's actually paying itself off over time! (Disclaimer : you can't have a heavy foot for this to happen!)
To further help things, most customers have reported a 2- 4 MPG GAIN in efficiency after installing their turbo kit! This means it's actually paying itself off over time! (Disclaimer : you can't have a heavy foot for this to happen!)
Install Time: approximately 8 - 12 hrs with basic mechanical ability
Tools Required: basic hand tools (socket set, Allen wrenches, screwdrivers, pliers, floor jack, etc.)
Recommended Tools: socket extensions and universal joint, O2 sensor wrench
Tools Required: basic hand tools (socket set, Allen wrenches, screwdrivers, pliers, floor jack, etc.)
Recommended Tools: socket extensions and universal joint, O2 sensor wrench
Granted the cost is steep- $5500, but the results would blow any M62'd 3400 out of the water with half the work (plus you'll likely need a built trans either way).
First teaser video of prototype kit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQZH3nPOAyo
WOT run on dyno from inside the car with the prototype car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahFCdl30rwY
Dyno of prototype car (made 467 whp and 449 tq on 12 psi):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taCvjnLwYHY
Same car later on with a more finished kit, and some more tuning work (505 whp):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NS03...eature=channel
06 monte SS with the turbo kit at the drag strip running 11.68 @ 120:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k-5MFwtg9o
Same car from the inside view running 11.49 @ 117:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVqrf...eature=related
GXP running 12.39@118 on street tires:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKxZW...eature=related
If it was me- I'd keep the 3400 for a gas sipping daily driver, and turbo the new SS- then if you get bored later, you can always do more mods (ie turbo cam, new intake manifold, etc) for even more power.
#32
Its hard to say- as far as I know, either way you're talking a completely custom setup- so it depends how much the shop charges for fabrication. I'd imagine a TC kit would be cheaper- with the SC- especially remote mounted- you need a mount, some kind of outlet collector to change the outlet to round tubing, custom piping from the outlet adapter to the TB, custom piping from the inlet to your TB, a special length drive shaft/snout, modification to the pulley system.
With a TC kit- if the 60* engines are anything like the 3800s, you can just block off the stock downpipe connection on the rear manifold (forces the rear exhaust gases to come back up the crossover pipe)- then replace the crossover pipe with a turbo mount- and connect the turbo outlet to the stock exhaust with a new downpipe. So all you need there is a blockoff plate, a custom crossover pipe, a new downpipe, and intake plumbing.
I looked on MMS, and couldn't find a 3400 turbo kit, other than the one for the Nbody. I will say though, I've seen some negative threads about doing business with him over the last year or so- so I'd definitely read through those first before I decided to drop $5000 with him. Not saying he's good or bad- I only ordered 1 part from him, and that was something he just got from Ed Morad's and shipped to me.
Yes, there is a BOLT ON turbo kit for turbo charging the LS4 monte's that makes more power than any boosted 3400 I've seen out of the box:
http://www.cartuning.ca/products/pro...rlo&engine=ls4
So this kit out of the box will make ~500 whp (that's 3.5X what your current engine makes)- without touching the bottom end, without porting anything- just a turbo kit that has an electric cutout and meth injection. You don't have to worry about some custom kit not fitting right, or having trouble finding parts- this kit has been out for awhile and is proven to work.
Granted the cost is steep- $5500, but the results would blow any M62'd 3400 out of the water with half the work (plus you'll likely need a built trans either way).
First teaser video of prototype kit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQZH3nPOAyo
WOT run on dyno from inside the car with the prototype car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahFCdl30rwY
Dyno of prototype car (made 467 whp and 449 tq on 12 psi):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taCvjnLwYHY
Same car later on with a more finished kit, and some more tuning work (505 whp):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NS03...eature=channel
06 monte SS with the turbo kit at the drag strip running 11.68 @ 120:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k-5MFwtg9o
Same car from the inside view running 11.49 @ 117:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVqrf...eature=related
GXP running 12.39@118 on street tires:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKxZW...eature=related
If it was me- I'd keep the 3400 for a gas sipping daily driver, and turbo the new SS- then if you get bored later, you can always do more mods (ie turbo cam, new intake manifold, etc) for even more power.
With a TC kit- if the 60* engines are anything like the 3800s, you can just block off the stock downpipe connection on the rear manifold (forces the rear exhaust gases to come back up the crossover pipe)- then replace the crossover pipe with a turbo mount- and connect the turbo outlet to the stock exhaust with a new downpipe. So all you need there is a blockoff plate, a custom crossover pipe, a new downpipe, and intake plumbing.
I looked on MMS, and couldn't find a 3400 turbo kit, other than the one for the Nbody. I will say though, I've seen some negative threads about doing business with him over the last year or so- so I'd definitely read through those first before I decided to drop $5000 with him. Not saying he's good or bad- I only ordered 1 part from him, and that was something he just got from Ed Morad's and shipped to me.
Yes, there is a BOLT ON turbo kit for turbo charging the LS4 monte's that makes more power than any boosted 3400 I've seen out of the box:
http://www.cartuning.ca/products/pro...rlo&engine=ls4
So this kit out of the box will make ~500 whp (that's 3.5X what your current engine makes)- without touching the bottom end, without porting anything- just a turbo kit that has an electric cutout and meth injection. You don't have to worry about some custom kit not fitting right, or having trouble finding parts- this kit has been out for awhile and is proven to work.
Granted the cost is steep- $5500, but the results would blow any M62'd 3400 out of the water with half the work (plus you'll likely need a built trans either way).
First teaser video of prototype kit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQZH3nPOAyo
WOT run on dyno from inside the car with the prototype car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahFCdl30rwY
Dyno of prototype car (made 467 whp and 449 tq on 12 psi):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taCvjnLwYHY
Same car later on with a more finished kit, and some more tuning work (505 whp):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NS03...eature=channel
06 monte SS with the turbo kit at the drag strip running 11.68 @ 120:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k-5MFwtg9o
Same car from the inside view running 11.49 @ 117:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVqrf...eature=related
GXP running 12.39@118 on street tires:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKxZW...eature=related
If it was me- I'd keep the 3400 for a gas sipping daily driver, and turbo the new SS- then if you get bored later, you can always do more mods (ie turbo cam, new intake manifold, etc) for even more power.
#34
Honestly, no forced induction kit for any car is going to be a 20 minute install- even putting a supercharger on a 3800 (an engine that came with it from the factory and uses all factory parts) can easily take a beginner a full day to install.
#40
the only problem with that statement (not to say your wrong) is that from what i have seen from when trying to find a M90 supercharger kit is that there isn't one! the only one that I could find was on a 3400 swapped beretta but the guy had made the intake completly from scratch. My advice is to use a centrifical supercharger like the ones from RSM Racing (even though they're on the expensive side) instead of a postive displacement supercharger like the eaton M90. you could still give the M90 a shot but my findings suggest that it will take alittle more fabrication than you might have hoped for.