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Old 12-05-2013 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ChibiBlackSheep
The ecoboost has actually been using a pretty small turbo with hardly any lag. They are probably going to be pretty quick cars.
It just seems so.... ehhhh.... ill still leave it to the ricers. Its cool though that they can get so much boost out of a 4 banger though.
 
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Old 12-05-2013 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ChibiBlackSheep
The 2015 Ford Mustang has been fully revealed, ushering in a new generation of the American automaker’s signature sports car.


Sporting an all-new chassis, the 2015 Ford Mustang has seen its roof lowered 1.5 inches, the hood 1.3 inches and the dashboard about 2.8 inches for a much sleeker design compared to its predecessor. It also sports independent rear suspension, a first for mainstream Mustang models. While traditional Mustang enthusiasts will groan over the thought that the Mustang no longer has a solid rear axle, Ford promises that the independent rear suspension improves handling, ride and steering precision on the all-new ‘Stang.

As for powerplants, the 2015 Mustang will come standard with a 3.7-liter V6 with 300 hp while a 2.3-liter turbocharged four-cylinder EcoBoost engine will be available with at least 305 hp, according to Ford. Then of course, there’s the top-of-the-line 5.0-liter V8 that will be rated at “more than 420 hp,” though official specifications have not been announced.

Tweaks were also made to the front roof pillars in order to offer better front visibility on the 2015 Mustang while the passenger airbag has been moved to the glove box door, getting rid of the separate panel typically found on the dashboard. As for the convertible model, which will be released nearly at the same time as the coupe, Ford boasts that it’ll have the fastest top on the market lowering or raising in just seven seconds. The convertible will be operable at speeds up to 5 mph.

And while minor, it’s worth mentioning that the 2015 Mustang’s front seats now feature “memory recline,” which will return to the driver’s preferred seating position after being moved forward in order to get the rear passengers out of the coupe.



Reminds me kind of an Aston Martin
 
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Old 12-05-2013 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by dbaldwin
A 4 banger in a mustang makes me want to vommit.... save the eco boost for ricey cars.
In the early 80's, the Mustang and the 3rd gen F-bodies (Camaro/Firebird) offered a 4-bang (no turbo, no nothing) in addition to their v6 and v8 options. It was REALLY a sad time, coming out of the fuel crisis/shortage of the 70's. My '84 Z28 has a few tell-tales from that era such as a speedo that goes to 85mph, the lines change color at 55mph (which was the fastest legal speed on the U.S. roadways then).
I got to drive an '84 Firebird with a stick shift and 4-cylinder. I admit, I was surprised! I expected that little engine to have trouble moving a car as big/heavy as the Firebird was/is (as it's not a little econo-box) but it did alright.
These 4 cylinder options were for those REALLY looking to save money on fuel but wanted the flashy Mustang/Camaro/Firebird of the day.

Originally Posted by MAMONTE
I can see where you are coming from completely...but if a Turbo 4 is making more HP and Torque than the standard 6, I don't see it anymore disgraceful than a 6 cyl in a Mustang.
This all goes to their product marketing. If you buy a Mustang/Camaro without a v8, you were more then likely buying it for looks. It's the idea of offering the consumer a "peppy/flash/fuel efficient" version vs. the "big performance, not as fuel efficient" model. Not saying I am a fan of 4 cylinder engines BUT, if they can make a 4 cylinder perform equal or better then a v6 (even if the 4 cylinder is boosted), if it creates a car cheaper to produce and easier on fuel, why not? It sounds like a "win" for the guys not worried about big HP.
 
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Old 12-05-2013 | 11:43 AM
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Also, along these lines.... For years "motorheads", "grease monkeys", "gear heads", or in general "car guys like us" would never mess with a non-v8.... Here a bunch of us are tinkering and fooling around with v6 engines.

Engine tech has changed a LOT over the years. Prime examples:
- My '84 Z28 L69 High Output (haha) Camaro, per GM made 190HP.
- My friend had a '97 Cobra Mustang, per Ford, made 305HP
- The stock L36 that my Monte Carlo came with, rated at about or over 200HP per GM (20 years later and a v6 makes more HP then my v8)
- The first v6 5th Gen Camaro I believe was rated at 305HP!!! WAIT - we saw that number in the list on my buddy's '97 Cobra Mustang!

Now, this does not note the torque differences in these cars. And that is just a small snap shot of N/A v6 and v8 info. The 4 cylinders and boosted cars add another part to this.

Back in the day, GM had the notorious Quad4. Great performance (I drove one a couple of times as my folks had one, very surprising performance for what it was) but it BROKE DOWN a LOT (hence why the Quad4 earned a bad rep).

There are a lot of cool things going on with cars. I think for car labels like the Mustang, Camaro and Charger, it would take a LOT for these manufacturers to step away from a v8 being the "top dog" on the performance ladder. But who knows what the future may hold.
 
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Old 12-05-2013 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by The_Maniac

In the early 80's, the Mustang and the 3rd gen F-bodies (Camaro/Firebird) offered a 4-bang (no turbo, no nothing) in addition to their v6 and v8 options. It was REALLY a sad time, coming out of the fuel crisis/shortage of the 70's. My '84 Z28 has a few tell-tales from that era such as a speedo that goes to 85mph, the lines change color at 55mph (which was the fastest legal speed on the U.S. roadways then).
I got to drive an '84 Firebird with a stick shift and 4-cylinder. I admit, I was surprised! I expected that little engine to have trouble moving a car as big/heavy as the Firebird was/is (as it's not a little econo-box) but it did alright.
These 4 cylinder options were for those REALLY looking to save money on fuel but wanted the flashy Mustang/Camaro/Firebird of the day.

This all goes to their product marketing. If you buy a Mustang/Camaro without a v8, you were more then likely buying it for looks. It's the idea of offering the consumer a "peppy/flash/fuel efficient" version vs. the "big performance, not as fuel efficient" model. Not saying I am a fan of 4 cylinder engines BUT, if they can make a 4 cylinder perform equal or better then a v6 (even if the 4 cylinder is boosted), if it creates a car cheaper to produce and easier on fuel, why not? It sounds like a "win" for the guys not worried about big HP.
Yeah the 4 banger f-bodies saddened me too. And I understand the gas saving flex thing but if I want the flashy I feel like it should be a package. If I want fuel effeciancy ill get a cheaper smaller car.
 
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Old 12-05-2013 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by The_Maniac
Also, along these lines.... For years "motorheads", "grease monkeys", "gear heads", or in general "car guys like us" would never mess with a non-v8.... Here a bunch of us are tinkering and fooling around with v6 engines.

Engine tech has changed a LOT over the years. Prime examples:
- My '84 Z28 L69 High Output (haha) Camaro, per GM made 190HP.
- My friend had a '97 Cobra Mustang, per Ford, made 305HP
- The stock L36 that my Monte Carlo came with, rated at about or over 200HP per GM (20 years later and a v6 makes more HP then my v8)
- The first v6 5th Gen Camaro I believe was rated at 305HP!!! WAIT - we saw that number in the list on my buddy's '97 Cobra Mustang!

Now, this does not note the torque differences in these cars. And that is just a small snap shot of N/A v6 and v8 info. The 4 cylinders and boosted cars add another part to this.

Back in the day, GM had the notorious Quad4. Great performance (I drove one a couple of times as my folks had one, very surprising performance for what it was) but it BROKE DOWN a LOT (hence why the Quad4 earned a bad rep).

There are a lot of cool things going on with cars. I think for car labels like the Mustang, Camaro and Charger, it would take a LOT for these manufacturers to step away from a v8 being the "top dog" on the performance ladder. But who knows what the future may hold.
It is interesting seeing what they are doing. I honestly like the turbo I4 idea, I would love a slick little gas saver with some pep. My monte is for looks for sure. IMO V8 says "classic American muscle" while turbo I4 says foreign. I guess its about wanting to stick true to american cars. And sound plays a BIG factor in what I would call the muscle cars.
 
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Old 12-05-2013 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dbaldwin
Yeah the 4 banger f-bodies saddened me too. And I understand the gas saving flex thing but if I want the flashy I feel like it should be a package. If I want fuel effeciancy ill get a cheaper smaller car.
AH, see, you are looking at what you want. They are looking at what sells cars. If they can move more Mustangs/Camaros/Chargers offering a "peppy, more MPG friendly model" to compliment a high end performance model, they have done it and always will do it. But, even with a more MPG friendly drive train, it still has to have some pep.

FYI - My wife has a '01 Mustang Convertible with a 3.8L v6. IMO it's a DOG!! I felt my old 3100 and current 3400 Grand Ams along with my Monte would dominate that car. Admittedly, I think the FWI that was recently put into her Mustang helped a LOT. But still, not really wow-ing me out of the gate. It was built for looks, not performance and bottom line, people are willing to buy them.
 
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Old 12-05-2013 | 12:27 PM
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Omg, I want it, maybe...the SS for that, any idea what the MPG will be?
 
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Old 12-05-2013 | 01:40 PM
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Aww it's cute. Reminds me of an Eclipse.
 
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Old 12-05-2013 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by nitehawkjcb
Aww it's cute. Reminds me of an Eclipse.
Bahahahaha! This ^ hahaha
 


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