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* 2013 SRT Viper / Viper GTS Coupe: First Drive Review *
#1
10-02-2012, 04:50 AM
* 2013 SRT Viper / Viper GTS Coupe: First Drive Review *
Below is for `Mike(JG) and MCF Auto Enthusiast's
2013 SRT Viper / Viper GTS Coupe: First Drive Review
All the venom with a little less sting.
<CITE>By Michael Austin of Car and Driver</CITE>
Click to enlarge picture
2013 SRT Viper GTS Coupe
The Viper is back, new and vastly improved after more than two years in stasis. Chief among the tweaks to the fifth iteration of the new SRT brand's headline supercar (it's no longer a Dodge) are a more upscale interior and increased creature comforts. Has the Viper gone soft? In a single word, no. But after a half-day sneak preview at GingerMan Raceway in South Haven, Michigan — where we previously captured some shakedown images and video -—we can say with confidence that the new Viper is not only better than ever, it's finally as appealing in person as it is on paper.
A Quantum Leap, Albeit Without Scott Bakula
At a distance, the Viper looks a lot like the previous car, and the two even share the same windshield. But up close, the new car
is far more elegant. There are no hard creases despite some sharp-ish features, and the hood gives off a menacing vibe reminiscent of something dreamt up by H.R. Geiger. In comparison, the previous-generation Viper looks dated, even clumsy. There are two Viper models, base and GTS, most obviously differentiated visually by the number of hood vents; the uplevel GTS has only two versus the regular car's six. Every vent or scoop is functional on both models, from the rear-brake ducts behind the side windows to the outboard inlets in the front fascia that funnel a drag-reducing curtain of air around the front wheels.
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MSN Autos' Perry Stern talks to SRT Director of Marketing Beth Paretta about the all-new SRT Viper at the New York Auto Show.
Date 4/9/12,Duration 6:43,Views 100384
Video by: MSN Autos | The Viper is Back!2012 SRT Viper PicturesMore New York Show Coverage
The old Viper SRT10 is on hand to help make dynamic comparisons, and driving it definitely brings back memories, the most dominant of which is that it was kind of a pain in the ***. You don't get behind the wheel so much as you contort your body into something resembling a driving position. Visibility is poor, and the passing of time has only made the rental-grade interior look even more appalling. As for the chassis, a few laps around GingerMan remind that the old Viper's high limits are best approached with caution.
Slide into the new Viper and it's hard to believe it's just three model years removed from its predecessor. Soft leather and vinyl replace hard plastic. The thin, firm seats (supplied by Sabelt, which also counts Ferrari among its customers) immediately feel more comfortable, and are more adjustable than before. They're also mounted an inch lower, resulting in more headroom and a roomier overall feel. The center tunnel also is lower, putting the shifter in a more natural position that allows you to change gears more with your wrist than your forearm. And the cabin is less of a sweatbox now that the exhaust doesn't cross over below the occupants, although the threat of seared calf flesh remains -- while the pipes now run only along the side of the body, the still heat up the rockers and terminate behind the doors.
As Able as Ever — and Less Intimidating
Improvements extend beyond ergonomics and into the chassis. A revised steel frame and an extruded-aluminum X-brace that spans the engine bay increase stiffness by a claimed 50 percent. The front track is pushed out, and the front tires are wider by 20 mm. At the rear, rubber engorged by 10 mm (Pirellis that now measure 355/30-19) shrouds a revised suspension with a relocated toe link and softer anti-roll bar. The changes are immediately noticeable on the track. Steering loads increase more naturally in concert with cornering forces, and turn-in is more immediate. But mostly the Viper feels more stable, more confidence-inspiring. The front now leads the rear axle through a corner, a contrast with the impression in the old Viper that the two are fighting each other for control of the car's vector. Breakaway behavior, both via brake-induced understeer or throttle-induced oversteer, is now entirely predictable. The limits are even higher than before, but this Viper is easier to drive quickly.
View Pictures: New SRT Viper
The dynamic improvements are underscored by the safety net of stability control, which now is essentially required by the government for all cars. Retired Viper chief engineer Herb Helbig used to opine that a good right foot was all the traction control anyone needed, and Viper purists might be understandably annoyed by the presence of electronic driver aids, but we doubt it will hamper sales. Plus, as it can in the rest of the SRT vehicle lineup (which retain Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep branding) the system can be fully switched off.
Click to enlarge picture
2013 SRT Viper
Further niceties like launch control (enabled by the stability-control computers), cruise control, and available satellite navigation are more a sign that the Viper has stepped into the 21st century rather than a transgression against its original intent as a modern Shelby Cobra. With a sticker price close to $100,000, a certain level of luxury is expected, especially if Chrysler is to succeed in attracting new buyers. As such, all Vipers come with a leather-topped dashboard, an 8.4-inch infotainment screen, and a digital IP display shared with the Dart that shows an analog-style tachometer. Plastic and fiberglass body panels give way to carbon fiber and aluminum, which not only save about 60 pounds but also yield more consistent panel gaps. (Or will on the final production version, as Chrysler stressed to us that the prototypes we drove were not representative from a fit-and-finish standpoint).
Read: Slithering Into a Brave New Viper
Viper die-hards might take solace in the base model, which comes with manual seats and simple on-off functionality for the stability control. The GTS is lined with more leather, and an optional Laguna interior raises the cowhide grade to something approaching Italian. Commanding a premium of roughly $20,000, the GTS also has a high-threshold Sport mode and traction-control-free Track mode baked into the stability control, along with two-mode cockpit-adjustable shocks. Those dampers, supplied by Bilstein, straddle the single tune of the base car's
and adjust both jounce and rebound rates for their respective street or track settings. The other main option is a Track package that yields lightweight wheels, two-piece aluminum-hat StopTech brake rotors, and stickier P Zero Corsa footwear. The pack was fitted to one of our preview cars, and the tires improve grip and feel so much that we wish they were standard. The cars can be outfitted with carbon-fiber trim inside and out, and all Viper buyers will get a one-day track experience.
Ferociously Quick
Chrysler's quest to turn the Viper into a true GT -- that is to say a car that can be driven across the country and then straight onto a racetrack -- has not diminished its ferocity. The old 8.4-liter V-10 is massaged to 640 hp and 600 lb-ft of torque, increases of 40 in both categories. Curb weight is down by about 100 pounds in the base model, and the track package drops about 40 more. The power-to-weight ratio of the Viper is as low as 5.2:1, on par with the Corvette ZR1 and better than the Lamborghini Aventador. And more evenly spaced gear ratios take better advantage of that power: We estimate a 0-to-60-mph run of 3.4 seconds and the 206-mph top speed is now reached in sixth gear, which previously only existed to boost highway fuel economy. That said, EPA ratings will be lower on this Viper, not that anybody will care.
Some might still wonder if any essential Viper-ness has been lost. Many of the traits that gave the Viper its charm were also glaring faults, though, and, as a rule, we're not sad to see them go: At some point, a car's essence transcends design and engineering peculiarities carried out in the name of heritage. The new car is more comfortable and easier to drive, but still feels authentic -- you can tell it's a Viper because of the way it is.
Read Blog: First Viper Sells for $300,000
2013 SRT Viper / Viper GTS Coupe: First Drive Review
All the venom with a little less sting.
<CITE>By Michael Austin of Car and Driver</CITE>
Click to enlarge picture
2013 SRT Viper GTS Coupe
The Viper is back, new and vastly improved after more than two years in stasis. Chief among the tweaks to the fifth iteration of the new SRT brand's headline supercar (it's no longer a Dodge) are a more upscale interior and increased creature comforts. Has the Viper gone soft? In a single word, no. But after a half-day sneak preview at GingerMan Raceway in South Haven, Michigan — where we previously captured some shakedown images and video -—we can say with confidence that the new Viper is not only better than ever, it's finally as appealing in person as it is on paper.
A Quantum Leap, Albeit Without Scott Bakula
At a distance, the Viper looks a lot like the previous car, and the two even share the same windshield. But up close, the new car
is far more elegant. There are no hard creases despite some sharp-ish features, and the hood gives off a menacing vibe reminiscent of something dreamt up by H.R. Geiger. In comparison, the previous-generation Viper looks dated, even clumsy. There are two Viper models, base and GTS, most obviously differentiated visually by the number of hood vents; the uplevel GTS has only two versus the regular car's six. Every vent or scoop is functional on both models, from the rear-brake ducts behind the side windows to the outboard inlets in the front fascia that funnel a drag-reducing curtain of air around the front wheels.Up Next
0
The Viper Returns
MSN Autos' Perry Stern talks to SRT Director of Marketing Beth Paretta about the all-new SRT Viper at the New York Auto Show.
Share
The Viper Returns
MSN Autos' Perry Stern talks to SRT Director of Marketing Beth Paretta about the all-new SRT Viper at the New York Auto Show.
Date 4/9/12,Duration 6:43,Views 100384
Video by: MSN Autos | The Viper is Back!2012 SRT Viper PicturesMore New York Show Coverage
The old Viper SRT10 is on hand to help make dynamic comparisons, and driving it definitely brings back memories, the most dominant of which is that it was kind of a pain in the ***. You don't get behind the wheel so much as you contort your body into something resembling a driving position. Visibility is poor, and the passing of time has only made the rental-grade interior look even more appalling. As for the chassis, a few laps around GingerMan remind that the old Viper's high limits are best approached with caution.
Slide into the new Viper and it's hard to believe it's just three model years removed from its predecessor. Soft leather and vinyl replace hard plastic. The thin, firm seats (supplied by Sabelt, which also counts Ferrari among its customers) immediately feel more comfortable
, and are more adjustable than before. They're also mounted an inch lower, resulting in more headroom and a roomier overall feel. The center tunnel also is lower, putting the shifter in a more natural position that allows you to change gears more with your wrist than your forearm. And the cabin is less of a sweatbox now that the exhaust doesn't cross over below the occupants, although the threat of seared calf flesh remains -- while the pipes now run only along the side of the body, the still heat up the rockers and terminate behind the doors.As Able as Ever — and Less Intimidating
Improvements extend beyond ergonomics and into the chassis. A revised steel frame and an extruded-aluminum X-brace that spans the engine bay increase stiffness by a claimed 50 percent. The front track is pushed out, and the front tires are wider by 20 mm. At the rear, rubber engorged by 10 mm (Pirellis that now measure 355/30-19) shrouds a revised suspension with a relocated toe link and softer anti-roll bar. The changes are immediately noticeable on the track. Steering loads increase more naturally in concert with cornering forces, and turn-in is more immediate. But mostly the Viper feels more stable, more confidence-inspiring. The front now leads the rear axle through a corner, a contrast with the impression in the old Viper that the two are fighting each other for control of the car's vector. Breakaway behavior, both via brake-induced understeer or throttle-induced oversteer, is now entirely predictable. The limits are even higher than before, but this Viper is easier to drive quickly.
View Pictures: New SRT Viper
The dynamic improvements are underscored by the safety net of stability control, which now is essentially required by the government for all cars. Retired Viper chief engineer Herb Helbig used to opine that a good right foot was all the traction control anyone needed, and Viper purists might be understandably annoyed by the presence of electronic driver aids, but we doubt it will hamper sales. Plus, as it can in the rest of the SRT vehicle lineup (which retain Chrysler
, Dodge, and Jeep branding) the system can be fully switched off.Click to enlarge picture
2013 SRT Viper
Further niceties like launch control (enabled by the stability-control computers), cruise control
, and available satellite navigation are more a sign that the Viper has stepped into the 21st century rather than a transgression against its original intent as a modern Shelby Cobra. With a sticker price close to $100,000, a certain level of luxury is expected, especially if Chrysler is to succeed in attracting new buyers. As such, all Vipers come with a leather-topped dashboard, an 8.4-inch infotainment screen, and a digital IP display shared with the Dart that shows an analog-style tachometer. Plastic and fiberglass body panels give way to carbon fiber and aluminum, which not only save about 60 pounds but also yield more consistent panel gaps. (Or will on the final production version, as Chrysler stressed to us that the prototypes we drove were not representative from a fit-and-finish standpoint).Read: Slithering Into a Brave New Viper
Viper die-hards might take solace in the base model, which comes with manual seats and simple on-off functionality for the stability control. The GTS is lined with more leather, and an optional Laguna interior raises the cowhide grade to something approaching Italian. Commanding a premium of roughly $20,000, the GTS also has a high-threshold Sport mode and traction-control-free Track mode baked into the stability control, along with two-mode cockpit-adjustable shocks. Those dampers, supplied by Bilstein, straddle the single tune of the base car's
and adjust both jounce and rebound rates for their respective street or track settings. The other main option is a Track package that yields lightweight wheels, two-piece aluminum-hat StopTech brake rotors, and stickier P Zero Corsa footwear. The pack was fitted to one of our preview cars, and the tires improve grip and feel so much that we wish they were standard. The cars can be outfitted with carbon-fiber trim inside and out, and all Viper buyers will get a one-day track experience.Ferociously Quick
Chrysler's quest to turn the Viper into a true GT -- that is to say a car that can be driven across the country and then straight onto a racetrack -- has not diminished its ferocity. The old 8.4-liter V-10 is massaged to 640 hp and 600 lb-ft of torque, increases of 40 in both categories. Curb weight is down by about 100 pounds in the base model, and the track package drops about 40 more. The power-to-weight ratio of the Viper is as low as 5.2:1, on par with the Corvette ZR1 and better than the Lamborghini Aventador. And more evenly spaced gear ratios take better advantage of that power: We estimate a 0-to-60-mph run of 3.4 seconds and the 206-mph top speed is now reached in sixth gear, which previously only existed to boost highway fuel economy
. That said, EPA ratings will be lower on this Viper, not that anybody will care.Some might still wonder if any essential Viper-ness has been lost. Many of the traits that gave the Viper its charm were also glaring faults, though, and, as a rule, we're not sad to see them go: At some point, a car's essence transcends design and engineering peculiarities carried out in the name of heritage. The new car
is more comfortable and easier to drive, but still feels authentic -- you can tell it's a Viper because of the way it is.Read Blog: First Viper Sells for $300,000
Last edited by Space; 10-02-2012 at 09:25 AM.
#2
10-02-2012, 06:52 AM
I would love to have a viper. As much as I love corvettes there are sure a lot of them around. I have only see a few vipers around here. I guess that's because even a 20 year old model is bringing 30 grand or in the neighborhood.
#3
10-02-2012, 07:05 AM
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I want the viper!!
They were my favorite car from the 90's when i was a little kid up until i i saw the new looks (07 and up) Aston Martins
But i still have a soft spot for Vipers!
They were my favorite car from the 90's when i was a little kid up until i i saw the new looks (07 and up) Aston Martins
But i still have a soft spot for Vipers!
#4
10-02-2012, 08:00 AM
Hi `Member's,
I do like what they have done to the `Viper, but it's very doubtful that I will ever own one, but I hope that one of my friends in life is able to get one & take me for a ride, or gives me the oppurtunity to drive one
I think `if I could afford one (?), I would get in2 a lot of trouble with that much power...I know that I would like to test it's limits 4-Sure...It is a great dream & I shall just keep dreaming & maybe the Lotto God will bless me with the winning #'s
"2 dare 2 `dream in SpaceVision" 4-Sure
Thanks member's for your post/vote & adding your thoughts on another super car that's out there for us to dream about I'm just glad that they are still building them for the lucky/fortunate people that can afford them & sometimes we get to see them cruising down our highways of `life 
WoW, what was that ? (LOL) A human spacecraft ? 
I do like what they have done to the `Viper, but it's very doubtful that I will ever own one, but I hope that one of my friends in life is able to get one & take me for a ride, or gives me the oppurtunity to drive one
I think `if I could afford one (?), I would get in2 a lot of trouble with that much power...I know that I would like to test it's limits 4-Sure...It is a great dream & I shall just keep dreaming & maybe the Lotto God will bless me with the winning #'s
"2 dare 2 `dream in SpaceVision" 4-Sure
Thanks member's for your post/vote & adding your thoughts on another super car that's out there for us to dream about
I'm just glad that they are still building them for the lucky/fortunate people that can afford them & sometimes we get to see them cruising down our highways of `life WoW, what was that ? (LOL) A human spacecraft ?
#5
10-02-2012, 09:55 AM
#6
10-02-2012, 04:26 PM
Hi `Mike, knowing the way you buy & get cars/rides, I'm sure you will find a way to get one 4-Sure....I'd be happen with a old one
I'd be happy just 2 be able to test drive one on a good road & not just in city traffic... I think it would be like a space ride 4-Real
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