Opinion Needed: Low voltage o2 circuit and multiple misfires codes.
From what I can tell it could be 100 possible problems and I couldn't find anythung saying what usually causes these codes on a monte Carlo. I also don't know if I should take my time to solve the problem or if I should just pay the extra money and take it to a shop. It's a 2003 monte Carlo ss and it was driving fine until it started having misfires when I accelerate and then the check engine light came on. It only misfires when I accelerate and it only does it half the time. Where should I start? And how much will it cost? Thanks for the help.
The tricky part about multiple misfire like you said is that there are a ton of different causes. Its not like some codes where there's only 1 or 2 possibilities. Because of that, its also impossible to say what it would cost to fix. Could be simple - could be multiple things.
The big thing to be careful of with DIY is shotgunning fixes at it without thoroughly figuring out the cause. Ive seen a lot of people post on here through the years that they replaced these 10 things and it still does it - thats because they're just randomly replacing parts in the possible cause list rather than diagnosing.
Do you have a obd2 scanner than can read live sensor data? At least to me, its a helpful tool to narrow down the cause. The computer collects bunches of live data, so being able to capture that and record it while its happening helps narrow things down.
The big thing to be careful of with DIY is shotgunning fixes at it without thoroughly figuring out the cause. Ive seen a lot of people post on here through the years that they replaced these 10 things and it still does it - thats because they're just randomly replacing parts in the possible cause list rather than diagnosing.
Do you have a obd2 scanner than can read live sensor data? At least to me, its a helpful tool to narrow down the cause. The computer collects bunches of live data, so being able to capture that and record it while its happening helps narrow things down.
I do actually. Thanks for the idea, any clue on what I should be looking out for though? I'm really a novice at cars but can't learn without doing.
Not sure how many you can log at once, but Id try to capture the major fueling sensors - map, maf, front O2. Then Id also capture pcm outputs - stft / ltft, cylinder misfire counter, misfire by cylinder (to see if there are any patterns).
You're trying to get insight to what the pcm is seeing - the O2 code somewhat points you in that direction. The pcm has a wide range of adjustment, so something is so worn / broken that it can't compensate enough to run right (vac leak, fuel pressure low, etc).
You also want to drive it around to see if there are any patterns - is fueling OK, no missing at cruise - but both are a total mess under acceleration. What about idle, etc. Does the O2 issue always happen the same time as misfiring?
You're trying to get insight to what the pcm is seeing - the O2 code somewhat points you in that direction. The pcm has a wide range of adjustment, so something is so worn / broken that it can't compensate enough to run right (vac leak, fuel pressure low, etc).
You also want to drive it around to see if there are any patterns - is fueling OK, no missing at cruise - but both are a total mess under acceleration. What about idle, etc. Does the O2 issue always happen the same time as misfiring?
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