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Old 07-25-2010 | 11:13 PM
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I am trying to upgrade from 2 subs to 3 subs wired to one amp. I have been searching and reading others opinions about it but it is not SET IN STONE of this even happening. What I want to know is will my amp be overkilled or will it handle the 3 subs.

Equipment:
(3) 12" TS-W1208D2 Pioneer Champion
(1) Hyfonics Brutus BXI2010d (2,000 x 1 RMS @ 1 ohm)
--- currently using it now with just the 2 subs
Stock Headunit
(1) Scosche Loc-80

I did have 2 12" subs hooked up to that amp but I end up putting it into protect mode and now its in the shop.
The tech from the company said I had it wired at .5 ohm load which the amp is capable at 1 ohm. So, instead of upgrading the amp, I was just thinking if I can add 3 subs (all the same, just an additional one to the two I already have) to the amp and will I get the same output as by having only two subs! Is that possible?

Also have read that the amp I have is daisy capable? Which can power 2 more amps at the sametime and get more power. Or I can be wrong! What you guys think?
 
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Old 07-25-2010 | 11:37 PM
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Oh these are the pics:

Hyfonics Brutus BXI2010D Features:

2,000 WATT RMS Mono Block Class "D" Monster Subwoofer amplifier
2,000 x 1 RMS @ 1 ohm
1 ohm stable
1,300 watts RMS @ 2 ohms
650 watts RMS x 1 @ 4 ohms
Mosfet power outputs
RCA Outputs
Advanced Class Super "D" Setup
All new efficient Heatsink Design
Alluminum heatsink gets rid of unwanted heat
Hifonics Logo Illuminates in bright neon illumination
Power and Protection LED indicator
Gold RCA Inputs
Daisy Chainable (you can connect 2 amps and get double the power together)
Built in advanced crossover system
Balanced line inputs
Soft Start Turn on for extra long lasting amplifier protection
Subsonic bass filtration system
Low Pass Filter: 35 - 250 Hz
Bass Boost: 0 - 18 dB
Phase Shift: 0 - 180 degrees
24 dB Subsonic Filter (15 - 50 Hz)
Dimensions: 15" L x 9.5" W x 2.52" H
S/N Ratio: >95dB
THD: <0.08
12 Gauge speaker terminals
Daisy chainable

Pioneer Champion TW-W1208d2 Features:

12" Dual 2 ohm Champion Series Subwoofer
Power Handling:
Peak: 1400 watts
RMS: 400 watts
Impedance: Dual 2 ohm
Injection molded polypropylene (IMPP) cone woofer
Wide triple layer radial sound
Single-sided spring compression terminals
Dual voice coil
Dual mass magnet with magnet cover
Frequency response: 18-500 Hz
Sensitivity: 90 dB
Subwoofer Size 12"
Subwoofer Design Round / Circle
Main Cone Color Black
Voice Coil(s) Dual (2 voice coils)
Impedance (per voice coil) 2 ohms
Peak Power Handling 1400 watts
RMS Power Handling 400 watts
Woofer Composition IMPP Cone with Carbon Fiber/Glass Fiber Reinforcement
Woofer Surround Fiber Woven Radial
Minimum Sealed Box Volume .85 cubic feet
Maximum Sealed Box Volume 1.75 cubic feet
Minimum Ported Box Volume N/A
Maximum Ported Box Volume N/A
Sensitivity 90 dB
Frequency Response 18 - 500 Hz
Xmax (millimeters) N/A
Top Mount Depth 6"
Shallow Mount Installation No
Cutout Diameter N/A
Recommended Enclosure Type Sealed
Subwoofer Grille No
Re-Cone Kit Available No

Scosche Loc-80
2-Channel Speaker Level Converter
Accepts head units with 80 watts per channel
Transformer circuit for noise cancellation
For use when adding an aftermarket amplifier to receivers without RCA outputs
Number of Channels 2
Maximum Power Input 80 watts
 
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Old 07-26-2010 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rgant_19
I am trying to upgrade from 2 subs to 3 subs wired to one amp. I have been searching and reading others opinions about it but it is not SET IN STONE of this even happening. What I want to know is will my amp be overkilled or will it handle the 3 subs.

Equipment:
(3) 12" TS-W1208D2 Pioneer Champion
(1) Hyfonics Brutus BXI2010d (2,000 x 1 RMS @ 1 ohm)
--- currently using it now with just the 2 subs
Stock Headunit
(1) Scosche Loc-80

I did have 2 12" subs hooked up to that amp but I end up putting it into protect mode and now its in the shop.
The tech from the company said I had it wired at .5 ohm load which the amp is capable at 1 ohm. So, instead of upgrading the amp, I was just thinking if I can add 3 subs (all the same, just an additional one to the two I already have) to the amp and will I get the same output as by having only two subs! Is that possible?

Also have read that the amp I have is daisy capable? Which can power 2 more amps at the sametime and get more power. Or I can be wrong! What you guys think?
Yes, you can run 3 D2 subs on that amp. The ohm load to the amp at rest will be 1.33 ohms so you'll be good. You won't be getting the full power from that amp though but the addition of the other sub should offset that especially since they'll still be getting plenty more than their rated rms power. The extra cone area should increase output a little, actually.
 
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Old 07-27-2010 | 11:02 PM
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I don't want to overload the amp. So how would it be wired by the way your saying.....?
 
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Old 07-27-2010 | 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rgant_19
I don't want to overload the amp. So how would it be wired by the way your saying.....?
I said you won't be getting the full power from that amp, so how would you overload it?
 
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Old 07-29-2010 | 12:07 AM
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I've done 3 12" JBL's in an '06 Scion TC before. That was a pretty good little setup.



Originally Posted by rgant_19
I don't want to overload the amp. So how would it be wired by the way your saying.....?
The amp won't be running at full power, so if it's really a 1ohm stable amp like the specs you gave us, you wont have any issues at 1.33ohm.





For three dual voice coil subs to connect to your amp at close to 1ohm you'll be wiring as such:


 
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Old 07-29-2010 | 08:49 AM
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THanks guys, I was didn't read correctly...LMAO Thats what happens when you haven't sleep. Be seriously though! Thanks a lot because I was strongly advise not to do so and im thinking there has got to be a way around it.
 
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Old 04-07-2011 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by rgant_19
THanks guys, I was didn't read correctly...LMAO Thats what happens when you haven't sleep. Be seriously though! Thanks a lot because I was strongly advise not to do so and im thinking there has got to be a way around it.
Whoever strongly advised you not to do it doesn't know what they're talking about, period! Those subs are rated at 400rms each, your amp does 1300rms @ 2ohms, once you factor in box rise your final impedance will be over 1.33ohms, it'll be alot closer to 2 ohms than it'll be to 1ohm that's for sure. So lets just say it's exactly 2 ohms, that means with your amps gain set right and your stereo maxed out to the point right before clipping, each sub will be getting about 430rms......That's perfect! So yeah, your advisor is a dumb *ss!!
 
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Old 04-07-2011 | 10:37 PM
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this threads kinda old.. and might i remind you that this is a family site

but in the end, it's possible and won't be too difficult to achieve
 
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Old 04-08-2011 | 01:43 AM
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Well I ended up sticking with the 2 subs... I really wanted the 3 subs instead but I had already purchased the correct box for the two subs. I will upgrade probaly lata on this year after hearing the match of the subs and box together....
 
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