I hear what your saying, but I thought about what I read over in that LS1 thread posted above. Those $1000 headers were discounted on a group buy to $599, with ceramic coating, when they got a minimum buy. Now the 3800 community has got to be much larger than the LS4 community by far and they were able to pull off a custom build. And that is a steal for headers with ceramic coatings inside/outside.

And where did you hear that TOGs was going to ramp up production again? Are any of those so-called ebay knock offs any good in quality? coatings? fitment issues?

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Even with ceramic coating- I don't see them being able to beat the price on SSAC's (like $300 + coating)- especially if they design the headers from scratch (instead of just copy SLP). Even if they could match the price of SSAC's for a group buy- once they go to normal price (if its anything like their LS4 headers)- they're going to be higher than the bulk of the market.

The 3800 market may be larger- but you're also not going to have near the response from a group buy to make another version of what we already have (ie like 6 different types of headers)- especially if its going to be more expensive than what is already out there. With the LS4 guys, it was different- they had no option at all, so they got a lot more people jumping in. It would just be like someone doing an initial buy in for a new 3800 cam, or new 3800 rockers, you know?

Jonbob (the guy with the 530ish whp whipple car)- he said something about new ownership or something of that nature- and was wanting to know if I wanted to get in on a run of TOG extremes for my setup. It sounded like they might try and come back into the market again- but that was a couple months ago and I haven't heard anything since (haven't really asked either though).

IMO, the knockoffs of the pacesetters (obx, and a few others) have a lot of problems, but are cheaper. The SSAC's and their various companies seem to be pretty good. I actually have a version of the SSAC's myself (actually DPP's)- basically just SLP knockoffs. They fit fine, just need copper RTV and quality clamps on the crossover (instead of the cheap clamps that come with it)- a lot of people have been very happy with them.

They're not coated, but they are stainless. But heck, some of those ebay headers go for like $250-300 (I want to say SSAC's are about $300 now)- so even paying to have them coated, they're still dirt cheap.