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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 08:57 PM
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Well, I was going to stay out of this, but...

Actually the UAW is a very good thing for the workers, and American workers out-produce the foriegn competion. So while it is true that a small percentage of UAW workers, (goof off, get drunk, and totally screw up), the majority are hard working people trying to make a good living for their families.

Now, GM and its management. Most salary employees work their tails off to make a little less than the hourly workers on the line. Those folks are the REAL HEROES of the company!!! Themanagement, and especially executive managementis too much a game of politics, Nepotism, and plain old "good-ole-boy networking",and MOST DO NOT deserve their job andthe OUTRAGEOUS salaries they make!!! There are, a few exception, who are extremely talented individuals who have a gift for making things work -- let's put these talented individuals in a class of 1% or less.

As far as the Strike... Hate to see it, but needed...
With all due respect, why is Toyota no. 1?
 
Old Sep 26, 2007 | 04:58 AM
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LONDON (MarketWatch) -- The United Auto Workers reportedly reached a tentative contract agreement Wednesday with General Motors Corp. that will end a two-day strike and allow production to resume later in the day.
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The deal still needs to be ratified by workers, which will begin this week, though UAW President Ron Gettelfinger told an early morning press conference in Detroit that he's confident the agreement will be ratified, according to news wire reports.
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 06:38 AM
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Well, I was going to stay out of this, but...

Actually the UAW is a very good thing for the workers, and American workers out-produce the foriegn competion. So while it is true that a small percentage of UAW workers, (goof off, get drunk, and totally screw up), the majority are hard working people trying to make a good living for their families.

Now, GM and its management. Most salary employees work their tails off to make a little less than the hourly workers on the line. Those folks are the REAL HEROES of the company!!! Themanagement, and especially executive managementis too much a game of politics, Nepotism, and plain old "good-ole-boy networking",and MOST DO NOT deserve their job andthe OUTRAGEOUS salaries they make!!! There are, a few exception, who are extremely talented individuals who have a gift for making things work -- let's put these talented individuals in a class of 1% or less.

As far as the Strike... Hate to see it, but needed...
With all due respect, why is Toyota no. 1?
I think there are a couple of reasons, but the bottom-line is that theymake a superior product for the money. Many here weren't around for the Arab Oil Embargo of 1973, but itthen that the "Big Three" began creating their own problems. They owned the American market at the time, of course, and when people started demanding smaller, more fuel efficient cars, they responded with pure, unadulterated junk. The Japanese wisely saw this as an opportunity to enter the U.S. market with their higher quality, more fuel efficient vehicles.

In 1977, the U.S. automakers "cheapened" the quality of their cars significantly across the board - it was if they conspired to do so exactly at the same time. This was most evident in some of theupscale models, such as the Thunderbird, Riviera and Lincoln Mark series. The77's were horrible cars, and it was almost as if theAmerican manufacturersthought theyhad a monopoly on the market regardless of the quality of their vehicles - a take it or leave it attitude. Does anyone remember the Ford Fairmont, introduced in 1978? These cars were so light and flimsy, some of the early ones buckled when they were cinched down for transport! Enter the Japanese automakers, and the rest is history.





 
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good point..... dang you OPEC...
 
Old Sep 26, 2007 | 02:08 PM
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Great, let's start making cars where the engine light doesn't come out 100 miles after the warranty expires.
 
Old Sep 26, 2007 | 04:23 PM
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lol.. you are bitter about that aintcha grandpa?
 
Old Sep 26, 2007 | 08:35 PM
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With all due respect, why is Toyota no. 1?
Perception. As Gale pointed out, the 1970s and 1980s were a learning experience for the U.S. Auto Makers. People lost confidence in US cars and developed a false belief that the Japanese cars were great. But if you examine JD Powers statics of actual quality and reliability (based on dealership visits and repairs), Buick actually is #1.

The thing is, every automaker as certain models that perform extremely well and extremely poor -- at least according to the JD Power stats. For GM there vehicles with a 3.8, now 3.9 historically do extremely well, and those with the 3.4, now 3.5 do not.

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/quality-ratings

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/perform...design-ratings

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...bility-ratings
 
Old Sep 26, 2007 | 09:10 PM
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With all due respect, why is Toyota no. 1?
Perception. As Gale pointed out, the 1970s and 1980s were a learning experience for the U.S. Auto Makers. People lost confidence in US cars and developed a false belief that the Japanese cars were great. But if you examine JD Powers statics of actual quality and reliability (based on dealership visits and repairs), Buick actually is #1.

The thing is, every automaker as certain models that perform extremely well and extremely poor -- at least according to the JD Power stats. For GM there vehicles with a 3.8, now 3.9 historically do extremely well, and those with the 3.4, now 3.5 do not.

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/quality-ratings

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/perform...design-ratings

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...bility-ratings
Good call. I always hated the Japanese styling, but these latest cars are getting much better.
 
Old Sep 27, 2007 | 12:01 AM
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With all due respect, why is Toyota no. 1?
Perception. As Gale pointed out, the 1970s and 1980s were a learning experience for the U.S. Auto Makers. People lost confidence in US cars and developed a false belief that the Japanese cars were great. But if you examine JD Powers statics of actual quality and reliability (based on dealership visits and repairs), Buick actually is #1.

The thing is, every automaker as certain models that perform extremely well and extremely poor -- at least according to the JD Power stats. For GM there vehicles with a 3.8, now 3.9 historically do extremely well, and those with the 3.4, now 3.5 do not.

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/quality-ratings

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/perform...design-ratings

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...bility-ratings
False belief? I drove my 91 Corolla before it was repocessed for 90k miles pedal to the metal and NEVER took it to the dealer for stupid things like ISS.
 
Old Sep 27, 2007 | 12:03 AM
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With all due respect, why is Toyota no. 1?
Perception. As Gale pointed out, the 1970s and 1980s were a learning experience for the U.S. Auto Makers. People lost confidence in US cars and developed a false belief that the Japanese cars were great. But if you examine JD Powers statics of actual quality and reliability (based on dealership visits and repairs), Buick actually is #1.

The thing is, every automaker as certain models that perform extremely well and extremely poor -- at least according to the JD Power stats. For GM there vehicles with a 3.8, now 3.9 historically do extremely well, and those with the 3.4, now 3.5 do not.

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/quality-ratings

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/perform...design-ratings

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...bility-ratings
Good call. I always hated the Japanese styling, but these latest cars are getting much better.
Once again, because Americans have been designing Japanese cars for over 25 years.

....and they don't belong to a union.
 



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