There's a guy on YouTube with a gen 5 blower and bigger ic and my wheel horsepower is higher than his except his torque is a lot higher than mine and he's on a 2.8 pulley I believe I'm on a 3.1

 

Also the guy is running 50/50 mix with 93 and e85... The ssic is not inefficient , and the bigger intercooler is inefficient if your talking about cooling, yea it might have a 16 wave channel compared to 12 with the ss but both lack a reservoir to hold coolant both have tubes that's it, my shop informed me about this. The full size will
Keep temps down at least 50 degrees cooler but for the price and research I wasn't impressed .

 

The tune means a lot as well. It's hard to compare that car to yours because you have no idea what his tune is like or what dyno it was on etc. There is a lot of variables.

Thing is a stock gen v is equal to a ported gen 3 so get a ported gen v and crush a ported gen 3...... when you use the smaller gen 3 blower with a small pulley you get out of the blowers efficiency range and creates a ton of heat. The bigger gen v helps solve this but even on the smallest pulleys this happens and at that time be ready to custom fabricate a Whipple onto it or go turbo.

It's been proven over and over a ported gen v is the best bang for your buck.

 

So you make your own reservoir.... key is to keep heat down, there is other mods that do a better job at doing this than meth which strip the rotor coating making the blower even more inefficient.....

It sounds if your heart set on the meth though so go ahead man it works well for me but on a sc car I see you being disappointed. Happy modding and keep us posted on your progress

 

And fyi 50 degree temp drops means A LOT!!

 

Thanks what do you recommend besides the bigger intercooler to keep colder temps. I have a 160 tstat not sure what else

 

It's not engine coolant issues it's intake air temps. You only have a few options, more efficient blower so it spins less to make same power to keep heat down, bigger intercooler with a huge heat exchanger and it's own reservoir both of these IMO should be done. Next would be e85 or unfortunately meth but like I said meth strip the coating on the sc rotors that's why I'm so against it in a sc car

 

I'm not talking crank hp, I'm talking whp. I've seen a good number of wbodys on the dyno back when I lived out in the midwest. No doubt some people prep more than others for an all out dyno pass to set some of the records, but heads/cam/IC I would expect more.

I really see 4 things about your setup that I think could improve power by a measurable amount:
-Cam. I could be wrong, but I thought the purpose of the XP cam was to maximize power on stock heads. It seems odd that you've got such stiff springs and ZZP S3 heads with a rather mild cam. Any reason you didn't go with an XPZ, or some slightly larger cam to take better advantage of the ported heads?
-SSIC. This is one of the glaring issues I see. The SSIC was designed as a solution for those with tight hood clearance, it wasn't designed to maximize power. Very few of the record setting 3800s use SSICs, and there are multiple reasons. Regardless how big of a FMHE and pump you run, you'll always be limited with how much heat you can get into the fluid in the first place. The tiny height of the SSIC doesn't give much time to wick heat out of the air passing by. At your level, you've really outgrown this mod.
-L67 TB. Hopefully it's at least ported? Any reason why you don't have an LS1 or N* TB instead? The less restriction in front of the blower, the better for efficiency.
-Pulley size. Big cam, big IC, ported head 3800s usually run a 2.8" (and sometimes smaller) pulley. Your pulley size is rather large at a 3.1". I understand if you're knock limited, but I would address some of the other issues first to get this pulley size down. That'll help boost the power numbers by forcing more air into it (assuming it isn't knocking).

A bigger intercooler is inefficient if you're talking about cooling? What do you mean?

We're not even talking about reservoir size here, core vs core a full size IC will beat a SSIC no problem. It's simple thermodynamics - you want as much IC contact as possible to pull the heat out of the air and into the coolant. The more heat you pull out, the less potential for KR, and the more boost/timing you can run.

I also believe the SSIC uses smaller lines which will limit flow.

I think it's time for a new shop, lol. How hard is it for them to spend $20 on a little plastic junkyard reservoir and plumb it in, lol. Regardless what IC you have, you can buy any size reservoir you want and install it.

Personally, I bought this and installed it in my trunk:
Water to Air Ice Box Reservoir

Holds a couple of gallons, plus the extra line holds a good bit more fluid too.

In reality though a reservoir has pretty much nothing to do with making power. If you were to put your car on a dyno with an ambient IC temperature- it'll make nearly the same power without a reservoir or with a 50 gallon reservoir on the first pass.

The intent of the reservoir is to add a larger heat sink that dampens temperature change. Without a reservoir, your IC coolant temp could jump from 70* ambient to 150* after the first pull. If your second pull happens right away, now you're 200*, and so on. A reservoir allows more capacity to hold heat- so after that first pass, it might only get up to 100*, and then 150* after your second back to back pass, and so on. (Numbers are entirely made up)

If you allow time for the car to cool between pulls under boost (dyno, street, track, etc), then a reservoir isn't really required. If you need to be able to do back to back pulls, or long highway pulls- then a reservoir can certainly help a great deal. Just keep in mind that all of that stored energy will now need to be dumped into the air via your FMHE- so if it's tiny, it's going to take awhile to get all of that heat energy out of the system.

I don't get this logic at all. You've got $1700 in heads, and thousands of dollars in other modifications (including mods that don't improve performance at all- like aftermarket wires, coil packs, and LS7 lifters)- but you didn't want to spend an extra $300 on a full size core? If you're that worried about the cost, just watch the classifieds for a used setup.

I see you're hung up on temperature delta between the two units, but do you really have anything to compare it to? My guess is you aren't monitoring pre and post IC air temps, so I don't see how you can base your decision on a full size core not giving enough temperature drop.

Bottom line is an IC is about the only way to physically pull heat out of the intake air (outside of some sort of chemical intercooling). So you want it to pull as much heat as it possibly can. Same reason why turbo race cars often run huge FMICs- but we're in an even worse spot due to the terrible efficiency of our blower at the speeds we're trying to spin it to.

 

First off I chose the cam because it was reccomended over the xpz cam by the guys at zzp especially combining with the stage 3 heads . Second, this is the setup I wanted and at the time I didn't consider cost of fabricating the stage 2 Ic to fit as well as with the altenator relocation. Like I said earlier go on YouTube and look up endsle that's the guy with the same setup but bigger ic stage 2 heads and gen v blower on e85 mix and with 60lb injectors, and I'm putting down more whp. The shop I go to is great the owner knows a thing or 2 about modding cars especially domestic his fbody currently running 1200whp that he built himself, sick watching it on the dyno

 

Like we said there is tons of variables on why the dyno read what it did for him and you. You don't know that car or the tune in it or how the dyno was setup all you know is there is a video of it doing that.

Second don't believe everything zzp tells you, tbo believe about 20% of what they tell you.... there is too many zzp fan boys because of there name. If you research other people's builds instead of what zzp says and you tube says you would see what we're talking about and you would learn so much more.