I have a 2000 Monte Carlo SS... 3800 NA.... I called a performance specialty shop in my area and asked them if it were possible to make my car do 10's in a 1/4 mile.... The response was something like it couldn't be done with $5000.00 and even with a turbo you would have to completely rebuild the engine. I guess the two choices are either getting a m90 supercharger or a turbo charger from zzperformance.com. The currently modifications so far are dual flowmaster 40 series mufflers with a CAI air filter... I guess I would be happy if I could make my car quick enough to smoke a Mustang GT.... anyone have any thoughts?

 

now adays i would do the turbo. sadly im a supercharger kinda guy but the turbos are far more efficient.
some where on the zzperformance website theres a monte with above 500 hp. his mod list is there to. you could start with that.
is 5 grand your spending limit here or is that a general thought??

 

Yeah $5000.00 is my spending limit for now.... I guess my goal is to have my Monte smoke any mustang who challenges me on the road..... I don't currently drag race but eventually I plan on it.... What would be the best direction to spend towards $5k? Turbo with new cams, and pistons w/ headers?

 

If any shop tells you that you have to rebuild the engine to run any realistic 1/4 mile time- hang up... seriously. Many people at these shops just generalize it with every other engine because they don't know squat about them. There are cars in the 10s and quicker running 500+ whp on stock bottom ends, so anyone that says you MUST rebuild it for it to hold up is a moron.

However, they are right about $5k not getting you 10s. If you're seriously wanting your car to do 10s, then IMO you have 2 choices:

A)sell your car and buy one that has people who actually run 10s on street driveable cars reliably- mustangs, camaros, etc.

B)buy a daily driver, and make your car into a track only car- that way, when you do blow the transmission everywhere, you can still get to work.

I'm not trying to say it can't be done- but honestly, talk to anyone who has a 10 second or quicker W-body. They're all scared to death about the next time the transmission is going to explode, even with the most hardcore builds. The only thing that seems to help lessen that is to totally gut the car and make it a track only car- that way you can cut some of the weight on the thing to take some of the stress off the trans.

The other thing these guys will likely tell you is that the car becomes useless at that power level without slicks. The second you take it out on normal street tires at that power level- you're going to only be able to do really really high mph roll races (ie 50+), you're going to get destroyed at a stoplight by rwd guys with decent width tires running a good deal less power.


If you really do want to run as fast as possible, and are really looking at 10s, then scrap the M90- its not going to happen without a crazy weight reduction, and maybe even some bottle. You'd just be driving it WAY outside of what it was made to do, and you're still talking about a $10k+ build.

A turbo setup from zzp or stattama is the way to go if you're looking to go as fast as possible, but you're still talking a considerable investment. A full, intercooled turbo kit + a fully built trans is already at ~$6k+ depending what parts you go with.

As for beating any mustang you run into- if you're just talking about stock and mildly modded ones- its easy to beat just about anything but an 03/04 cobra. Any other mustang can be easily beat with just a turbo kit, or a pretty decent M90 build; but you're probably going to get raped by cobras- especially modded ones.

 

Year:
2003

Make:
Ford

Model:
Mustang Cobra

Base Price:
$34,750

Origin:
Dearborn, Michigan

¼ mile:
12.9 Seconds

0 - 60 MPH:
4.5 Seconds

Position:
Longitudinal Front Engine

Configuration:
Water Cooled, 90 Degree V8 fully counterweighted forged crankshaft

Valvetrain:
Chain Driven DOHC, 4 Valves/Cyl

Displacement:
280 CI / 4589 CC

Power:
390.0 BHP / 290.8 KW @ 6000 RPM

Torque:
390.0 FT LBS / 528 NM @ 3500 RPM

Redline:
6500

Bore:
3.55 IN 90 MM

Stroke:
3.55 IN 90 MM

HP/L:
84.78 BHP per Liter

HP/LB:
9.4 LBS per BHP

Compression:
8.5:1
i dunno man an 03 cobra stock is at 12.9. that would be "simpler" catch than a heavily modded one like this one: http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustan...slip-7826.html

but even then if your looking to go fast easier buy a v-8.
you could pick up a used 5.3 from a junk yard outta a burban or tahoe and bore it to a 5.7 then build it like it was a ls1. essentially it is )

 

I wasn't really commenting on heavily modded mustangs because where can you really stop- I mean heck, there are fox bodies in the 8s and quicker, you know? I've seen a lot of really crazy hardcore mustangs at the drag strip and at local street races that would be untouchable by any wbody.

But if he's just looking at the bulk of mustangs you're going to run into cruising around (ie stock, and mild bolt ons)- the 03/04 cobras are the real ones to be afraid of. A simple M90 and some minor bolt ons to go with it would be enough to tackle most any other mustang, and at least come close to the newest 300hp mustangs, but the cobras will still be well out of reach.

They're ~400hp stock (a lot of people claim the factory rating is low), so thats a solid 200 hp over what he has now- in a car of similar weight- thats one heck of a bridge to jump. Not to mention they are crazy responsive to minor bolt ons (imagine the L67 guys going from 240 to 300 hp with cheap, minor bolt ons- these cobra engines are just about as crazy with cheap bolt ons).

The bad thing about it- is what are you going to put the engine in? Say you get an LS engine, and build it with LS4 parts so it can be bolted in- you're still going to have one heck of a time getting the power to the ground due to FWD, and you're still going to destroy transmissions left and right- especially on a full weight street car. It doesn't really matter if you mod a 3800 for 500+whp or an LS4, you're still going to run into the same major problems.

Take a cobra, for example, with the same 500 whp, and it will absolutely destroy you from a stop (sure they're still really loose in 1st, but they're gonna grab traction way before you will), and they won't be trying to push their tranny for over double what it was originally built for either.

 

i can agree with all you sid there. the new gt 500 are beast in their own territory.
when i said to buy a v-8 i was thinking go rear wheel drive to.
although i did have my car in the air today and i noticed alot of room to get a tunnel through. it would just be a matter of finding a rear end. could be fun. wish i had money for that tho.
origionally the 06- 07 ss were supposed to return with rear wheel drive but in 05 gm started to report loss instead of a gain so they went the easy rout and made universal parts, between the impala, monte, grandprix, and buick.

all in all a monte carlo isnt going to be the fastest thing around unless you have really deep pockets.

 

Would it be possible to put a 5.3 into a 2000 Monte Carlo ss? If so.... do tell...

 

i think it would be..... there should be a thread floatin around here some where about it. i think if they can fit it in a fiero then you can fit it in your monte.

 

Of course it is, its practically the same car in the '06+ that they come in from the factory.