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6th Gen ('00-'05): 2000 3.8 Engine Readouts at Idle

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Old 11-11-2013, 05:02 PM
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Hi folks, I've been chasing an issue for quite some time now so I figured I would finally reach out and ask. I've got quite a bit of mechanical experience and I feel that I have a pretty good understanding of the systems on my Monte. I have attached a picture showing a dash command readout on my iPod. As you can see, I've got a very high long term fuel trim. Also, I'm not sure how the other readouts compare to normal ones. Two years ago I started searching for the issue, starting with looking for vacuum leaks. I can't remember everything I've done now, but it's been a lot. It idles rough and tends to surge slightly when an electrical load is applied to the alternator. If anyone has any insight into this issue, I would appreciate it.

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Old 11-12-2013, 07:47 AM
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The car is definitely running rich. What mods do you have?
 
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:50 AM
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Thanks for the reply. This car is 100% stock. I even went back to a paper air filter because when I bought it, it had an oily K&N, which gave me MAF problems.
 
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Do you have any codes on your CEL? Sounds like an O2 sensor Bank 1!
 
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No codes or pending codes and all the system monitors are okay. I replaced both O2 sensors with AC Delco ones last year and nothing changed.
 
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Did you ever replace the MAF?

Plugs/Wires/Fuel Filter?
 
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Yup I've been there.
 
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:04 AM
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I should also mention that my O2 sensor voltage shown in dash command spikes continuously at idle. I'm thinking this is not normal?
 
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Originally Posted by ChibiBlackSheep
The car is definitely running rich. What mods do you have?
Rich, uhhmm no. The car is very lean +16.4 means u have a vac leak somewhere. Better check all your vac lines, something is letting air get out
 
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:17 AM
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That's what I thought. As far as I understand, that high long term percentage is the computer trying to add more fuel to compensate for the lean condition. Also, I forgot that I DO have a code that comes and goes. It's the P0171 I think.... I may not remember correctly. I comes on during long hauls of 1000+ kms. I have tried various times to find a leak. The latest time I used a can of ether and couldn't get a noticeable response. Before posting here, my next step was going to be the replacement of all gasket above the heads.
 


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