zzp gen 2 front strut tower brace question
 

hey guys, got a highly modded 03 ss. i still have the factory strut tower brace. i want to install my new gen 2 zzp front tower brace. only problem is, it looks like the factory screws are in the way. the factory screws are currently holding the factory brace and they hold the brace down with nuts. do i cut the screws off? do they push out? is it worth putting on the zzp strut tower brace? thanks in advance

Been a while since I looked at the factory brace (mine did not come with a factory brace). I believe those posts sticking up are connected to a small plate (under the strut tower). When you remove both nuts, they either fall out or there is a small retainer you may need to remove. I know this much, NO cutting is required.

so i have to remove the wheels to get under the car and check for a plat on each side? or should tapping lightly with a hammer work? in your opinion, do you think the zzp gen 2 is an upgrade front the factory strut brace i have?

If you take the nuts off and smack it with a hammer they should come right out. Are you just replacing the front bar or are you also adding a rear one to the struts in the back ?

just the front. is the zzp gen2 brace better than the factory? just trying to see if its worth intstalling. i do have upgraded sway bars front and rear as well as bc coilovers. not touching the rear brace, my subs are in the way

I don't think you need to remove the wheel to get to the plate holding those studs. If you need to look under, you can probably jack the car up and let the wheels hang. It might be as simple as Jeff mentioned, give the studs a smack with a hammer. I removed a couple in the junk yards, but it has been years.

I have ZZP braces in the front and the rear on my Monte. But I don't believe mine are Gen 2. I had to oblong the holes on mine (some how the bolt pattern between the Grand Prix and Monte is just hairs different). In 04, the Monte SS did not come with a factory brace, so I have nothing to compare to. I added the ZZP braces because I felt for the money, it was my best bet and I felt the design looked superior to the factory. I believe it definitely helped in the back end.

so on your 04 you had to adjust the holes on the brace mount to fit? and in your opinion, do you think it would make a difference in the front? i might not even change it

Here's a few pictures of the bolts .https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/monteca...ef2a5d8b65.jpg
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i bet i can tap them out with a hammer.

I believe there's a tin retaining washer that holds them from falling out. Good luck

both sides feel loose with the bar out. seems like it wouldnt be a fight

GM quit installing the braces as part of the SS package in 04. From 00-03 I believe it was standard that GM put strut tower braces on the SS model.

I just went to ZZP's web site and learned something. I mis-understood what the "Gen 2" brace was. The actual gen 2 is adjustable! At one point (maybe a year after I got my brace), I thought ZZP listed a brace specifically for Montes and Impalas (to avoid ob-longing the mounting holes). As for me having to modify the holes, that is pretty common of the original ZZP bars (and unless ZZP changed their current offering, you may have to do that). If you look at the attached pic, look at the mounting nuts, you can see the original holes. In all the driving I've done, the powder coating is unmarked (indicating the the holes never jumped the mounting points).

As for if the front made a difference or not, it's really difficult to tell. Around the same time, I also did poly sway bar bushings and end links. In my opinion, I never felt the front was as big a deal as the rear from a suspension. But from a design stand point, I believe there are better braces then ZZP on the market (like BMR), but from a cost perspective (especially for a daily driver), I believe the ZZP braces are far superior than the original GM. The GM one is has bends/creases in the travel of the brace (weak points), the ends are pinched down and lastly, it attaches to the sheet steel for the strut tower. Don't get me wrong, I have seen on bigger vehicles (like the 3rd gen Camaros of the 80's where after market vendors did that due to a weird shape of the strut tower). In my opinion (which is not a car engineer), a strut brace is BEST by grabbing the strut itself. By doing so, you grab the strut that is a huge part of the front suspension and it also doubles by supporting the chassis at the tower. There is a guy by the name "Don Rome" who was selling end pieces to help improve the factory bar so it grabs the strut itself (I have no idea if he still does or what they cost).

If you want better than factory, I believe the ZZP bar is that. If you want to improve the handling in the front, I believe you are best making sure the sway bar is in good health (the factory one is hollow and tends to rot and crack, I am still using the factory sway bar). Upgrade the front bushings that hold the bar to the subframe to poly and upgrade the end links to poly.

If you want to improve the rear end (where I felt most the handling issues were:
- Add a rear strut brace
- Upgrade your factory sway bar end links to MOOG. The MOOG ones have ball joints that can be greased and a thicker connecting rod, translating to better stability.
- Swap out the stamped steel factory trailing arms for tubular ones with poly bushings (I have the ones made by UMI Performance).
Those upgrades felt like they helped the rear end track better with the rest of the car.
- Upgrade front and rear sway bars to the solid GM Performance sway bars.

I still want to upgrade the rear sway bar bushings to poly (I have not done that yet).
If you want to go the extra step, look into BMR Suspension. They have stronger rear lateral arms for the car too.

I hope that helps and was not like being hit by a fire hose.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/monteca...36e2f7845d.jpg

Sorry to steal your topic but while its brought up its reminded me..

On my 02 LS, the strut tower brace was held down by two small plastic screws. What would the point of that be?

yes the gen 2 is adjustable. however i dont think each end is extendable. i know must front strut bars can twist to extend or retract on most cars. unless the gen 2 can and im wrong. i have all upgraded bushings as well as front and rear sway bars and end links. swapped it all out when i put on my bcs