House Plan Would Provide $2 Billion in Extra Cash For Rebate Program; Initiative Still "Up and Running," White House Says

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  • Photo In this July 27, 2009 photo, a woman shops for a car at Springfield Auto Mart in Springfield, Vt., a dealer for Buick, Pontiac and GMC. Above her is a car that was dumped in a dumpster as a visual promotion for the government cash-for-clunkers program. (AP Photo)
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  • Photo The government is planning to suspend the "cash for clunkers" program, which pays car buyers $3,500 to $4,500 to trade in older cars for new, fuel-efficient ones, congressional sources said July 30, 2009. (IStockPhoto)
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So...The Govt. is going to run GM? They can't even do "Cash 4 Clunkers" right.
Great. I just heard something about them maybe taxing us on un-healthy food
purchases? They are telling us what kind of cars we can buy, what health care
we will have (or not have), now there going to tell me I'll have to pay more taxes
on a bag of Doritos, Beer, etc... Come on!

This place is goin' down the tubes. We are losing freedoms every day! ??

 

 

I am a little pissed about the whole thing personally. My hard earned tax $$$ are paying for this cash for clunkers program, yet my tutition that I already paid once in FULL is now being raised and they are asking me for more money...if they can afford cash for clunkers, why can't they afford to keep the school systems running? I had to pay for my new car, and i'm still paying on it...did anyone help me? NOPE! Was I a dumb *** that went out and bought a car that got 10MPG? NOPE...if people would live within their means, we would not be in this situation. It seems like those that are not responsible with there money get their asses kissed by government, and people like myself that work hard for what we have, and do the responsible thing, pay for the mistakes of everyone else...I'm with Space, I believe in sharing, but I don't believe in being forced to give part of my paycheck away to loosers that don't know how to be responsible...
People may complain about companies like GM going bankrupt and getting help from the government, but the way I see it is that irrisponsible people created the problems. GM made the gas hogging SUV's that everyone wanted, then when prices of gas rised, no one wanted what they asked for, therefore GM had to completly change their strategy. Yes, GM should have saw this coming, and shame on them for not. But they were only making what American people wanted.
Same goes for all the home loan issues...banks gave loans to people that could not afford these loans...but they wanted their commission check, so they did it anyway. And Americans were dumb enough to sign on the line and tey and make house payments they could not afford.
We are where we are because WAY to many people tried living a life they could not afford. And now those of us who are responsible with our financial stuff are paying for it through taxes.

Sorry for the rant everyone...I guess with my tution crap this morning, I just could not hold in my feelings at the moment...oops.

 

Well... you've got vent somewhere! It's good to find a place where people
share the same way of thinking! You have to enjoy what you have right now as it will
be "Dust in the Wind" in the end anyway! I try not to be materialistic - but I love my
big & bad American Cars. I can't help myself!

I can tell politicians here in Kansas what i think, but- they just turn a deaf ear. If I owned a big company - then & only then, would they maybe listen!

It's good to be in a Forum where there is some Down to Earth people with
some common sense!!

 

 

WPA and CCC
Works Progress Administration and the Civilian Conservation Corps


Establishment of the Recreational Demonstration Area Program:

Franklin Delano Roosevelt was inaugurated to the Presidency of the United States on March 4, 1933, bringing with him a hope for better times in the midst of the Great Depression. In May of 1933 the Federal EmergencyRelief Administration was allocated $500,000,000 in direct relief of money to be spent by the federal government through state and local agencies. The National Industrial Recovery Act passed by Congress and signed by FDR on June 16, 1933, supported an enormous appropriation of money in the sum of $3,300,000,000 for relief through public works to be dispensed at FDR's discretion. By January 1934, a Land Planning Committee had been set up within the Federal Emergency Relief Act to consider the problem of land utilization in the country. Land use and maintenance had become an important economic topic during the New Deal, since the income from poor lands was less than the cost to maintain services such as roads and schools for the residents of the land. Conrad L. Wirth, Assistant Director, Chief of the Branch of Planning of the National Park Service (NPS), became the Department of the Interior's representative on the Land Planning Committee. He was in charge of the State Park Emergency Conservation Program and he also had administrative oversight of all the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) camps operated by the NPS. Wirth was familiar with the 1928 report of the Joint Committee on Recreational Survey of Federal Lands that revealed an "urgent need" for natural areas near large cities for recreation. Mr. Wirth proposed a program to buy land near metropolitan areas no longer suitable for agriculture, in order to "provide quality outdoor recreation facilities at the lowest cost for the benefit of people of lower and middle incomes." Farmlands sought for this program were those abused by erosion and poor farming practiecs and labeled with the phrase "submarginal land."

Catoctin Civilian Conservation Corps Sign

As a result of the Land Planning Committee's recommendation and approval of President Roosevelt, the Secretary of the Interior and head of the Public Works Administration transferred $25 million from the Public Works Administration tot he Federal Emergency Relief Administration. Five million dollars of that figure was to be used to purchase submarginal lands for recreational demonstration areas. Catoctin's mountainous land had been ravaged by years of industrial and agricultural abuse. Hunting Creek and Owens Creek tumbled through picturesque valleys, providing water based activity areas for sportsmen and families from the population centers 55 miles away in Washington, D.C. and Baltimore, MD. Blighted chestnut trees and field stone provided building materials and th former Catoctin Furnace, closed in 1903, provided historical interest. Catoctin was placed into this new program on January 7, 1935 and was titled the Catoctin Recreational Demonstration Area by August 8, 1936.
Work at Catoctin:


Initial employment was provided through the Works Progress Administration (WPA). Bids were taken on a sawmill, rock crusher and tools in the fall of 1935. Plans for a residential work camp were scrapped when sufficient numbers of workers were found within commuting distance. The WPA construction started in 1936 with the central garage unit, located in Camp Round Meadow, and ended in 1941 with the Blue Blazes Contact Statin which is now the park visitor center.

Blue Blazes Contact Station March 6, 1941

Park structures and facilities were built using the rustic arch style characteristic of National Park Service buildings of that era. The buildings were in harmony with nature, using natural colors and few straight lines. Horizontal lines were emphasized to blend in with nature and the settings. The rough stone and logs were characteristic of the structure in the local area. The local workers were familiar with the necessary construction methods and the materials used.
Initial construction utilized dead, standing trees. Only 40% of the logs could be used for boards. The remaining timber was hewn into logs, pinned with locust and fashioned into rustic cabins. Chestnut ws the preferred building material. Red oak was rived into shingles. Interior siding was fashioned from chestnut, oak, or hemlock. Horses pulled the logs from the forest to prevent the soil from being compacted by tractors. Eventually, live trees were harvested for construction under the guidance of Maryland foresters.
The 125 men who began cutting timber and clearing for camps swelled to 500 by April 30, 1936. Peak employment was reached in May, 1936, when 595 men were employed, mostly as unskilled laborers. The number decreased to 250 workers of various skill levels who built the administrative area and cabins, ran the sawmill and built roads.
The Project Headquarters was finished in July 1936. This building served as a planning, construction and operating center, and later as a residence. Today, it is utilized as a Resource Management Center. Plans for the blacksmith shop were rejected by the technical staff. The found it to be "out of scale." the original plans called for a rectangular building estimated to cost $612 for labor and materials. A design compromise was reached allowing construction of an "L" shaped building with a final cost of $920. A local blacksmith was hired in November 1936. The blacksmith shop remained in operation for the duration of the program. The smith fashioned hardware for the buildings, and manufactured and repaired tools and machinery.
The focus of operation shifted to public facilities upon completion of the shops. A total of four cabin camps and two picnic areas were proposed. The camps followed standard configurations. Natural features were preserved and cabins situated to take the best advantage of the terrain when placing foundations. Trees were left in place when possible and protected by boxing. Steps were taken to preserve the precious topsoil. The first picnic area, situated east of Cunningham Falls on the banks of Big Hunting Creek was ready for public use in June 1936. It was used until submerged by the construction of the lake at the William Houck Area of Cunningham Falls State Park.
Construction of Camp Misty Mount placed $5,843 in the hands of WPA workers who were paid for harvesting timber for the project. The 30 acre camp was completed in 1937. Camp Greentop was finished in 1938, and Camp Hi-Catoctin in 1939. The fourth camp was never built.
CCC Role at Catoctin
The first contingent of Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) workers arrived at Catoctin on April 1, 1939. The recruits lived in canvas tents pitched in a wooded area adjacent to the central garage unit in what is today Camp Round Meadow. The transferred to barracks as soon as they built them.

Luggage Inspection
Temporary Quarters

Enlistment was for three months with reenlistment possible. Young recruits were issued oversized uniforms as prior experience had proven that hard work and adequate food would soon enlarge their bodies. The program aimed to build useful citizens by instructing these young men to use tools, take orders, respect their supervisors and to give an honest days work. The objectives, to "promote conservation, secondly to instill and develop leadership abilities, third to train young men in a least one skill enabling them to get a job in the future," raised expectatins that the men would develop social, educational and personal skills, a work ethic, self-discipline and citizenship. The recruits were supervised by "local experienced men" known as LEM's.

Bugler
Role Call

Project Director Mike Williams had developed plans for reforestation of the mountain. He requested that the Maryland Forestry Department provide 100,000 native trees of which a minimum of 25% were to be oak. The state was unable to provide these trees but Williams eventually secured 2,000 red maple and 2,000 pitch pine trees that were planted.
The CCC rehabilitated 800 acres of fields. Strips of lespendeza and grains were planted on the contours for the benefit of quail, turkeys, rabbits, and song birds. Forest encroachment was controlled by planting strips of grain along the edge of the fields. Soon, the diversity and numbers of wildlife increased.

Wolf Rock

Stream improvement projects on Big Hunting Creek and Owens Creek were initiated in 1939. Pools were deepened to provide cool water and cover for the fish. As a result, sport angling improved. Fishermen were pleased that the natural appearance of the stream was retained.
Native trees, that were obtained later in 1939, were planted to obliterate open areas created by construction and to reclaim old logging roads. In August, the corpsmen dug the water system for the visitor center, built the dry stone walls behind the building, built guardrails and landscaped the area. Director Mike Williams considered this project to be the finest work completed in the park.
Gettysburg National Military Battlefield was undergoing a period of restoration at this time. The CCC retrieved old wooden fences from deep in the forest to assist in this effort. These aged rails gave a realistic appearance to the battlefield scene.
The corps helped nature tighten her grasp on the area as the program wound down in 1940 and 1941. Over 75 openings created by man's intrusion were blocked and made inaccessible to vehicles. Old roads were broken up and covered with topsoil. As a result, rubbish dumping in the park was reduced.
The Catoctin CCC unit completed their final project in 1941 with the construction of two trailside shelters. These shelters were built along the Appalachian Trail in nearby Washington County. The numbers of young men seeking employment dwindled in 1941 with the onset of World War II. The Catoctin CCC Camp closed November 7, 1941.

CCC Workers
CCC Workers

History tells us that the CCC and WPA were run in a military fashion without actually being military. There were salutes etc. ...
newsbusters.org/.../cnns-sanchez-urges-obama-bring-back-fdrs-wpa-ccc - Cached - Similar

 

A friend sent me this info........



Do Not go to the Cars.Gov site if you do agree to their terms the govt has the right to take over your computer!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vte_E...layer_embedded



(More info he sent me)



Once again from a different source.

Please stay away from www.cars.gov this website is a trap set by the Feds to gain access to your computer. They have it in place under the guise of "Cash for Clunkers" as an online vehicle appraiser to tell you if you are eligible for the program. Once you sign on and agree to the privacy notice a warning letter comes up and tells you that this computer is now the property of the United States Government and all information contained in and on this computer will be examined at will by the Federal Government, Homeland Security, Law Enforcement, etc. STAY FAR FAR AWAY FROM THIS SITE IF YOU VALUE YOUR PRIVACY AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

 

The came in and imaged my hard drive 10 days ago anyway. What dif' does it make now?
And their #1 statement of the day? "We're from the government, and we're here to help."
No LOL!
And one of their 1st statements: "Please back away from your computer."

 

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Originally Posted by RocknSS04

The came in and imaged my hard drive 10 days ago anyway. What dif' does it make now?