Advice needed! How do I convince my dad to get a RWD vehicle?
#1
03-27-2009, 11:27 PM
Advice needed! How do I convince my dad to get a RWD vehicle?
Hey guys.
My dad's lease is up again and its just about time for him to find a new ride. All of my car reccomendations of course have 2 doors, high hp, and RWD! They hate my advice because my car picks arent PRACTICAL enough! My dad and my mom are totally against the idea of having a real wheel drive car here in NY with all the snow we get, we've had bad experiences years past!
Besides performance and COOL factor, what can I use as ammunition to convince the parents to get a cool RWD car!??
Any pointers would be appreciated!
My dad's lease is up again and its just about time for him to find a new ride. All of my car reccomendations of course have 2 doors, high hp, and RWD! They hate my advice because my car picks arent PRACTICAL enough! My dad and my mom are totally against the idea of having a real wheel drive car here in NY with all the snow we get, we've had bad experiences years past!
Besides performance and COOL factor, what can I use as ammunition to convince the parents to get a cool RWD car!??
Any pointers would be appreciated!
#2
03-28-2009, 01:05 AM
What kind, type of car do the usually get? Mopars? GM? Furd?
Do a little research. Find a RWD car from the manufacturer they like and point out the positive things the RWD car has.
Even in snow you can drive a RWD car with success. Many people did it for many years. I'm one of them.
Do a little research. Find a RWD car from the manufacturer they like and point out the positive things the RWD car has.
Even in snow you can drive a RWD car with success. Many people did it for many years. I'm one of them.
#3
03-28-2009, 01:19 AM
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Good luck. Just tell them how badly the fwd cars understeer and how dangerous it is on ice. Alot of the time I would like to push my back end out, but when I gas it on ice, it pulls the front end sideways HARD, right towards oncoming traffic.
Oh and btw, tell them you'll just do reverse cookies.
Oh and btw, tell them you'll just do reverse cookies.
#4
03-28-2009, 06:18 AM
I've been driving for so many years in this crap we call snow and ice that I prefer the FWD myself. I like being pulled through the snow, and not pushed through it. IMO, my Monte, or the Impalas before the Montes, are far superior handling in the winter than any of the RWD or for that matter the trucks and SUVs that I've owned.
My suggestion would to be to find an AWD car that fits your likes, and still has the safety factor of the FWD pulling, with the lower COG than trucks, vans, or SUVs. They have "stickability" that nothing else on the road has, if they are true AWD. Maybe a Subaru WRX. VERY sporty, FAST, and extremely durable. I watched one beat out a FirBird TransAm last year at the Kalamazoo Speedway in the spectator drags. It won the whole show. NOTHING came even CLOSE to him in handling and power. The FirBird had him in the straights, but couldn't handle the corners.
We have 4 vehicles, the Monte, a Z71, a roadster, and a full size RWD. My Monte will out drive all of them any day of the week, unless the snow is a foot deep. Then the Z71 rules. But it doesn't have the stopping ability or handling because of the high COG. I just try to not off-road my Monte very often.
My suggestion would to be to find an AWD car that fits your likes, and still has the safety factor of the FWD pulling, with the lower COG than trucks, vans, or SUVs. They have "stickability" that nothing else on the road has, if they are true AWD. Maybe a Subaru WRX. VERY sporty, FAST, and extremely durable. I watched one beat out a FirBird TransAm last year at the Kalamazoo Speedway in the spectator drags. It won the whole show. NOTHING came even CLOSE to him in handling and power. The FirBird had him in the straights, but couldn't handle the corners.
We have 4 vehicles, the Monte, a Z71, a roadster, and a full size RWD. My Monte will out drive all of them any day of the week, unless the snow is a foot deep. Then the Z71 rules. But it doesn't have the stopping ability or handling because of the high COG. I just try to not off-road my Monte very often.
#5
03-28-2009, 08:49 AM
Infor/Ammo FWD vs RWD
Hi `Jeff, below is some `infor
Hope it helps
Ask A Scientist©
Environmental Earth Science Archive
Rear vs Front Wheel Drive in Winter
Question - What handles better in the winter, a vehicle with rear
wheel drive or front wheel drive? Both have anti-lock brake systems. I
drive a car now that has front-wheel drive. That's all I have ever
driven. My husband is looking at buying a car with rear wheel drive and
I am concerned about how it will handle in the winter on icy roads and
such. We live in an area that does get quite a bit of snow.
-----------------
Pam,
One of the reasons front wheel drive cars became popular because they
handled better in the snow. Its not stopping the car, but driving the
car. If the front wheels slip, the car will usually stay in line. With
rear wheel drive, the pushing rear wheels slip and the back end of the
car starts to swing.
Technology has helped reduce this problem in RWD cars to a point where
auto makers are returning to build RWD. RWD has definite advantages
under normal driving conditions.
Bob Hartwell
================================================== ===
The question of front and rear drive automobiles continues to be debated
among people who drive cars. The answer seems to depend a lot on driving
conditions and personal preference. "Handling" has no definite engineering
meaning. The greatest propulsive force will occur when the driven wheels
have the greatest weight on them.
Bob Erck
================================================== ===
In principle, four wheel drive is superior because power reaches all four
wheels independently and the electronics allow each wheel to "recognize"
the traction of the other three. Front wheel drive is considered next best
because the "weight" of the engine is over the wheels doing the steering.
Rear wheel drive without added weight is considered to be the least
effective. Having said that if conditions are right, glare ice just below
the freezing point of water it makes little difference. If there is no
traction between tire and road it does not matter. Those of us in the
older
climates that do not respect that rule learn to regret it. With no traction
the vehicle will continue on in a straight line in accord with Newton's
laws of mechanics, no matter how many wheels you have.
<LI about="r18">Defining front-wheel versus all-wheel drive : SearchChicago ... Dec 28, 2007 ... Defining front-wheel versus all-wheel drive SearchChicago Autos Cars ... You seem to think that all-wheel drive vehicles are better than ...
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<LI about="r19">Rear vs Front Wheel Drive in Winter ... name Pamela E. status other age 30s Question - What handles better in the winter , a vehicle with rear wheel drive or front wheel drive? ...
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Hope it helps
Ask A Scientist©Environmental Earth Science Archive
Rear vs Front Wheel Drive in Winter Question - What handles better in the winter, a vehicle with rear
wheel drive or front wheel drive? Both have anti-lock brake systems. I
drive a car now that has front-wheel drive. That's all I have ever
driven. My husband is looking at buying a car with rear wheel drive and
I am concerned about how it will handle in the winter on icy roads and
such. We live in an area that does get quite a bit of snow.
-----------------
Pam,
One of the reasons front wheel drive cars became popular because they
handled better in the snow. Its not stopping the car, but driving the
car. If the front wheels slip, the car will usually stay in line. With
rear wheel drive, the pushing rear wheels slip and the back end of the
car starts to swing.
Technology has helped reduce this problem in RWD cars to a point where
auto makers are returning to build RWD. RWD has definite advantages
under normal driving conditions.
Bob Hartwell
================================================== ===
The question of front and rear drive automobiles continues to be debated
among people who drive cars. The answer seems to depend a lot on driving
conditions and personal preference. "Handling" has no definite engineering
meaning. The greatest propulsive force will occur when the driven wheels
have the greatest weight on them.
Bob Erck
================================================== ===
In principle, four wheel drive is superior because power reaches all four
wheels independently and the electronics allow each wheel to "recognize"
the traction of the other three. Front wheel drive is considered next best
because the "weight" of the engine is over the wheels doing the steering.
Rear wheel drive without added weight is considered to be the least
effective. Having said that if conditions are right, glare ice just below
the freezing point of water it makes little difference. If there is no
traction between tire and road it does not matter. Those of us in the
older
climates that do not respect that rule learn to regret it. With no traction
the vehicle will continue on in a straight line in accord with Newton's
laws of mechanics, no matter how many wheels you have.
<LI about="r18">Defining front-wheel versus all-wheel drive : SearchChicago ... Dec 28, 2007 ... Defining front-wheel versus all-wheel drive SearchChicago Autos Cars ... You seem to think that all-wheel drive vehicles are better than ...
searchchicago.suntimes.com/autos/news/letters/715738,srch-... - Similar pages
http://searchchicago.suntimes.com/autos/news/letters/715738,srch-letters-IS122807.article
<LI about="r19">Rear vs Front Wheel Drive in Winter ... name Pamela E. status other age 30s Question - What handles better in the winter , a vehicle with rear wheel drive or front wheel drive? ...
www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/eng99/eng99328.ht... - 5k - Similar pages
#6
03-28-2009, 11:07 AM
I'm with Wayne on the if ther'es snow & ice I'd rather have FWD versus RWD for the simple fact FWD does a little better in these conditions then RWD does.
But you still can manuever in snow with RWD you just need to know how the vehicle will react and drive accordingly.
But you still can manuever in snow with RWD you just need to know how the vehicle will react and drive accordingly.
#9
03-28-2009, 05:18 PM
There ya go! A 2009 Cadillac CTS with the 3.6L direct injection and all wheel drive!
The direct injection is the newest and best thing to happen to engines, and the 3.6 L. V.V.T., D.I. is one of THE best engines out there right now! 304 bhp @ 6400 rpm, and 273 ft/lbs torgue @ 5200 rpm, 17/26 mpg, and best of all, it's a GM, and not a RICER!. Not that the Evo's aren't a good car, cuz they are, but these cars aren't even in the same class. And with a MSRP of $40,465, certified used CTS's are available all day long for around $30K (not sure about the AWD and DI for that price). Look for the available 6 speed shiftable automatic, 3.6L D.I., and AWD. And if bought new, GM is offering 0% financing right now!
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...1sb-prices.htm
The direct injection is the newest and best thing to happen to engines, and the 3.6 L. V.V.T., D.I. is one of THE best engines out there right now! 304 bhp @ 6400 rpm, and 273 ft/lbs torgue @ 5200 rpm, 17/26 mpg, and best of all, it's a GM, and not a RICER!. Not that the Evo's aren't a good car, cuz they are, but these cars aren't even in the same class. And with a MSRP of $40,465, certified used CTS's are available all day long for around $30K (not sure about the AWD and DI for that price). Look for the available 6 speed shiftable automatic, 3.6L D.I., and AWD. And if bought new, GM is offering 0% financing right now!
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...1sb-prices.htm
