2010 Camero V6 vs 67 V8 Camaro SS
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09-20-2008, 03:22 PM
2010 Camero V6 vs 67 V8 Camaro SS
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By The Numbers: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro V-6 vs 1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS-
[/align][align=center][/align][align=center]By Angus MacKenzie
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Weve driven the base, V-6-powered 2010 Camaro, and we are impressed. Actually, we`re more than impressed. At first acquaintance, the entry-level version of Chevys 21st century ponycar looks and feels a winner. Its smooth, quick, and accomplished on the road, with great steering, nice chassis balance, and good grip, even on the standard 18-in. wheel/tire combo. We can`t wait to drive the V-8.
But with the hassle of high gas prices, the looming threat of the new 35-mpg CAFE laws, the worrying knocks from the engine room of the American auto industry all the stuff that has the doomsayer enthusiasts pining for the good old days this new Camaro got us thinking: Who needs a V-8?
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We havent had the chance to track test a new Camaro yet, of course, but this is what we do know about the numbers: More than 300 hp under the hood; a 0-60-mph time of at least 6.1 sec or better; EPA fuel consumption numbers of 18/26 mpg; a price tag of around $24,000. Independent suspension all round. Disc brakes all round. Alloy wheels. Available six-speed manual or automatic transmissions.
This is the base model, remember.
Lets rewind four decades, back to those good old days and the original 1967 Camaro. Back then the base model boasted if thats the right word a 140-hp straight-six under the hood, three-on-the-tree manual transmission, live rear axle, drum brakes all round, steel wheels with dog-dish hubcaps, and taxi-cab interior trim. Not so much a ponycar as a motorized mule, really.
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Four decades ago, Camaro fun actually started with the V-8s, the 327, and the SS-350. There were a number of different output and transmission combinations available, but in late 1966, we tested a coupe fitted with the 210-hp 327 driving through a two-speed (count`em) Powerglide automatic, and a 295-hp SS-350 coupe with a four-speed stick. The numbers are revealing.[/align][align=center]
The 327 auto wheezed to 60 mph in 10.7 sec and ran the quarter in 18.2 sec at 77 mph. Just for perspective, the 8974-lb Ford F-450 King Ranch dualie we tested during the 2008 Truck of the Year judging last year was two tenths of a second faster to 60 mph and a half second quicker over the quarter mile. How`d the hot-shot SS-350 go? Zip to 60 mph in 8.0 sec, with the quarter mile coming up in 15.4 sec at 90 mph. Gas mileage? We estimated in the 12-13-mpg range.
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Okay, but a fully loaded SS-350 cost just a few bucks over $3400 back in 1967. The 2010 V-6 is likely to sticker at $24,000 or so. But here's where it gets interesting. The V-6 promises to be 25% quicker to 60 mph than the SS-350 (and probably seven to 10% faster over the quarter mile, according to our projections) while using 25 to 50% less gas. Yet in terms of the hours we average wage slaves will have to work to be able to buy one (according to U.S. Bureau of Labor statistics), it's only going to cost about eight percent more.
Don't get us wrong we still want a new Camaro with a six-speed stick and a 400-plus-hp LS3 under the hood. Or, better yet, the 556-hp supercharged LSA, which, based on the Caddy CTS-V test numbers we've just run, should be good for a [size=4]4.0-sec 0-60-mph time and a quarter mile in the low 12s.
(A 21st century ZL-1, anyone? C'mon GM, build it. The parts are all there.)
But if your budget can only stretch to the V-6, you can quite rightly ask: "Who needs a V-8?"
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2010 CAMARO V-6
1967 CAMARO SS-350
Price
$24,000 (est)
$3411
Engine
3.6L/310hp(est)/270-lb-ft (est) V-6
5.7L/295hp/380-lb-ft V-8
Trans
6-sp man
4-sp man
Curb weight
3750 lb (mfr)
3141 lb
Wheelbase
112.3 in
108.1 in
LxWxH
190.4 x 75.5 x 54.2 in
184.6 x 72.5 x 51.0 in
0-60MPH
6.1 sec (mfr) 5 sec with SpaceDriv`in : )
8.0 sec
Quarter mile
14.5 sec @ 97 mph (est) High 13teens : ) @ 109mpH
15.4 sec @ 90 mph
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[/align][align=center]Source Motor Trend Magazine[/align][align=center][/align][align=center][:-][/align][align=center]2010 Camaro V-6 vs 1967 Camaro SS-350 [/align][align=center]By The Numbers: Lets rewind four decades to see then and now Read More[/align][align=center][/align][align=center]
[color=#0000ff]See More Photos[/font] [/align][align=center][/align][align=center]MCF Members,[/align][align=center]What do you think ?
Would you consider a 2010 V6 ?[/align][align=center](Considering the cost of `gas ?)[/align][align=center][font="times new roman"]Post your thoughts/comments below[/align][align=center][:-][/align]
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By The Numbers: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro V-6 vs 1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS-
[/align][align=center][/align][align=center]By Angus MacKenzie
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Weve driven the base, V-6-powered 2010 Camaro, and we are impressed. Actually, we`re more than impressed. At first acquaintance, the entry-level version of Chevys 21st century ponycar looks and feels a winner. Its smooth, quick, and accomplished on the road, with great steering, nice chassis balance, and good grip, even on the standard 18-in. wheel/tire combo. We can`t wait to drive the V-8.
But with the hassle of high gas prices, the looming threat of the new 35-mpg CAFE laws, the worrying knocks from the engine room of the American auto industry all the stuff that has the doomsayer enthusiasts pining for the good old days this new Camaro got us thinking: Who needs a V-8?
CLICK TO VIEW GALLERY[/align][align=center][/align][align=center][/align][align=center][/align][align=center][/align][align=center][/align][align=center]
We havent had the chance to track test a new Camaro yet, of course, but this is what we do know about the numbers: More than 300 hp under the hood; a 0-60-mph time of at least 6.1 sec or better; EPA fuel consumption numbers of 18/26 mpg; a price tag of around $24,000. Independent suspension all round. Disc brakes all round. Alloy wheels. Available six-speed manual or automatic transmissions.
This is the base model, remember.
Lets rewind four decades, back to those good old days and the original 1967 Camaro. Back then the base model boasted if thats the right word a 140-hp straight-six under the hood, three-on-the-tree manual transmission, live rear axle, drum brakes all round, steel wheels with dog-dish hubcaps, and taxi-cab interior trim. Not so much a ponycar as a motorized mule, really.
CLICK TO VIEW GALLERY[/align][align=center][/align][align=center][/align][align=center][/align][align=center][/align][align=center][/align][align=center]
Four decades ago, Camaro fun actually started with the V-8s, the 327, and the SS-350. There were a number of different output and transmission combinations available, but in late 1966, we tested a coupe fitted with the 210-hp 327 driving through a two-speed (count`em) Powerglide automatic, and a 295-hp SS-350 coupe with a four-speed stick. The numbers are revealing.[/align][align=center]
The 327 auto wheezed to 60 mph in 10.7 sec and ran the quarter in 18.2 sec at 77 mph. Just for perspective, the 8974-lb Ford F-450 King Ranch dualie we tested during the 2008 Truck of the Year judging last year was two tenths of a second faster to 60 mph and a half second quicker over the quarter mile. How`d the hot-shot SS-350 go? Zip to 60 mph in 8.0 sec, with the quarter mile coming up in 15.4 sec at 90 mph. Gas mileage? We estimated in the 12-13-mpg range.
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Okay, but a fully loaded SS-350 cost just a few bucks over $3400 back in 1967. The 2010 V-6 is likely to sticker at $24,000 or so. But here's where it gets interesting. The V-6 promises to be 25% quicker to 60 mph than the SS-350 (and probably seven to 10% faster over the quarter mile, according to our projections) while using 25 to 50% less gas. Yet in terms of the hours we average wage slaves will have to work to be able to buy one (according to U.S. Bureau of Labor statistics), it's only going to cost about eight percent more.
Don't get us wrong we still want a new Camaro with a six-speed stick and a 400-plus-hp LS3 under the hood. Or, better yet, the 556-hp supercharged LSA, which, based on the Caddy CTS-V test numbers we've just run, should be good for a [size=4]4.0-sec 0-60-mph time and a quarter mile in the low 12s.
(A 21st century ZL-1, anyone? C'mon GM, build it. The parts are all there.)But if your budget can only stretch to the V-6, you can quite rightly ask: "Who needs a V-8?"
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2010 CAMARO V-6
1967 CAMARO SS-350
Price
$24,000 (est)
$3411
Engine
3.6L/310hp(est)/270-lb-ft (est) V-6
5.7L/295hp/380-lb-ft V-8
Trans
6-sp man
4-sp man
Curb weight
3750 lb (mfr)
3141 lb
Wheelbase
112.3 in
108.1 in
LxWxH
190.4 x 75.5 x 54.2 in
184.6 x 72.5 x 51.0 in
0-60MPH
6.1 sec (mfr) 5 sec with SpaceDriv`in : )
8.0 sec
Quarter mile
14.5 sec @ 97 mph (est) High 13teens : ) @ 109mpH
15.4 sec @ 90 mph
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[/align][align=center]Source Motor Trend Magazine[/align][align=center][/align][align=center][:-][/align][align=center]2010 Camaro V-6 vs 1967 Camaro SS-350 [/align][align=center]By The Numbers: Lets rewind four decades to see then and now Read More[/align][align=center][/align][align=center]
[color=#0000ff]See More Photos[/font] [/align][align=center][/align][align=center]MCF Members,[/align][align=center]What do you think ?
Would you consider a 2010 V6 ?[/align][align=center](Considering the cost of `gas ?)[/align][align=center][font="times new roman"]Post your thoughts/comments below[/align][align=center][:-][/align]
#2
09-20-2008, 08:51 PM
RE: 2010 Camero V6 vs 67 V8 Camaro SS
If I was to get a new Maro it will be the SS M6. It will not be a DD so no worries for the gas prices.
Even though the V6 Maro will be a good match for the monte.
Even though the V6 Maro will be a good match for the monte.
#3
09-21-2008, 07:38 AM
RE: 2010 Camero V6 vs 67 V8 Camaro SS
Hi LK,
Are you going to get a 2010 SS ?
I think the V-6 is going to be a great package : ) & more affordable to many.
The SS version will be way over $30K [X(]
I can`t wait to see one in person, and hopefully be able to test drive both : )
Will you trade your SS, or sell it yourself ?
With a few mod`s I think the V-6 will run 0-60 in the mid, or low 5 sec bracket : )
Really something 2 look 4-ward 2. It seems like it is taking 4-ever to
get them on the streets. I hope they sell good for GM, and that the
quality is good.
#4
09-22-2008, 11:14 AM
RE: 2010 Camero V6 vs 67 V8 Camaro SS
that damn car is the talk of Campbell... ALL the car guys are talking about that new Camaro, or the less popular (here) Challenger. EVERYONE wnats that car to come out... wellit was supposed ot be out in 07 pals.....
its kind of crazy that my car could keep up with a 67 SS Camaro though.
its kind of crazy that my car could keep up with a 67 SS Camaro though.
#5
09-24-2008, 07:14 AM
RE: 2010 Camero V6 vs 67 V8 Camaro SS
[align=center]2010 Chevy Camaro Test Drive:[/align][align=center]Prototype Sports V6 Economy With V8-Style Fun [/align][align=center]
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[/align][align=center]Click below for source article[/align][align=center]http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog...html?nav=RSS20[/align]
[/align][align=center][/align][align=center]Click below for source article[/align][align=center]http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog...html?nav=RSS20[/align]
#8
09-24-2008, 11:33 AM
RE: 2010 Camero V6 vs 67 V8 Camaro SS
[align=center]Hi Duane, Alex, Members,[/align][align=center]The pictures I posted above of the Black V6 Camaro was[/align][align=center]a test mule, and the interior does not look good in those pic`s [X(][/align][align=center][/align][align=center]Below are some additional photos of the SS [/align][align=center][:-][/align]
The folks over at the Camaro5 are having a blast today with the first public appearance of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS at the 2008 Indy Bash event. And while we’ve seen studio shots of the SS, this is the first time we’re seeing live pictures of both the interior and exterior of the flagship Camaro that’s powered by a 6.2-liter V8 engine generating 422 HP when combined with a 6-speed manual gearbox and 400 HP when matted to a 6-speed automatic. We would like to see the Camaro SS in person, however our first impression of the interior is that the two-tone color scheme with the shiny red panels does look a bit tacky. Hit the jump for the full image gallery and tell us what you think.
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#9
09-24-2008, 11:39 AM
RE: 2010 Camero V6 vs 67 V8 Camaro SS
Dealers Will Start Taking Orders in October for 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS
Date posted: 09-23-2008
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DETROIT — Without any fanfare, Chevrolet has released the second official image of the 2010 Camaro SS on the General Motors media Web site. Chevrolet Spokesman Terry Rhadigan told Inside Line on Wednesday that the effort is underway to give "traditionalists and enthusiasts something to whet their appetite."
Among the tidbits: Dealers will begin accepting orders for the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS and the V6-powered 2010 Chevy Camaro coupe in October. Production will begin in mid-February, and cars will be in dealerships by mid-March 2009.
"We think there could be pent-up demand," said Rhadigan, explaining why orders are being taken well in advance of the car's appearance in showrooms. "The advice is to get to your Chevy dealer sooner than later." He noted that buyers "may have to put a deposit down" to get in line for the Camaro, but that requirement is completely up to Chevrolet dealers.
Rhadigan said that the idea of taking orders well ahead of production is not unique to the Camaro: Chevrolet dealers did the same thing with the Malibu and Traverse.
He would not disclose volume predictions for the Camaro SS or the V6 Camaro.
Rhadigan also said that the Camaro SS will return an estimated 23 mpg on the highway, compared to 26 mpg on the highway for the V6-engined model. The EPA has yet to rate either version of the new Camaro. Rhadigan said the details and images of the Camaro SS have lagged behind the marketing push for the base model for a simple reason: "We really wanted to get the fuel efficiency message out with the V6."
The first official image of the 2010 Camaro SS had a nontraditional debut in an advertisement in a Conde Nast magazine supplement in late August. The singer Fergie was photographed beside the car in a free supplement entitled "Fashion Rocks."
The Camaro SS is expected to be priced around $30,000, while the V6 cars will start in the low $20Ks.
What this means to you: You've got one month to scrape together that Camaro deposit. — Anita Lienert, Correspondent
2010 Chevrolet Camaro: From Concept to Production
Date posted: 09-23-2008
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DETROIT — Without any fanfare, Chevrolet has released the second official image of the 2010 Camaro SS on the General Motors media Web site. Chevrolet Spokesman Terry Rhadigan told Inside Line on Wednesday that the effort is underway to give "traditionalists and enthusiasts something to whet their appetite."
Among the tidbits: Dealers will begin accepting orders for the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS and the V6-powered 2010 Chevy Camaro coupe in October. Production will begin in mid-February, and cars will be in dealerships by mid-March 2009.
"We think there could be pent-up demand," said Rhadigan, explaining why orders are being taken well in advance of the car's appearance in showrooms. "The advice is to get to your Chevy dealer sooner than later." He noted that buyers "may have to put a deposit down" to get in line for the Camaro, but that requirement is completely up to Chevrolet dealers.
Rhadigan said that the idea of taking orders well ahead of production is not unique to the Camaro: Chevrolet dealers did the same thing with the Malibu and Traverse.
He would not disclose volume predictions for the Camaro SS or the V6 Camaro.
Rhadigan also said that the Camaro SS will return an estimated 23 mpg on the highway, compared to 26 mpg on the highway for the V6-engined model. The EPA has yet to rate either version of the new Camaro. Rhadigan said the details and images of the Camaro SS have lagged behind the marketing push for the base model for a simple reason: "We really wanted to get the fuel efficiency message out with the V6."
The first official image of the 2010 Camaro SS had a nontraditional debut in an advertisement in a Conde Nast magazine supplement in late August. The singer Fergie was photographed beside the car in a free supplement entitled "Fashion Rocks."
The Camaro SS is expected to be priced around $30,000, while the V6 cars will start in the low $20Ks.
What this means to you: You've got one month to scrape together that Camaro deposit. — Anita Lienert, Correspondent
2010 Chevrolet Camaro: From Concept to Production