Brakes & Rotors
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Brakes & Rotors
Alright.. Well for me, it is time to get some new brakes and rotors.. When I make slight turns, I can hear the chirpers going off.. I am opting to get new rotors and not turn the original ones because where I live, I end up going over a mountain to go to the next town and, well, would like to get something that will hold up.
Can't complain too much.. The car is 3 years old and still have the factory brakes & rotors on it.. I was looking online (eBay) and I found a whole set for $216.00.. It includes 2 front and 2 rear rotors and brakes to do all 4.. The rotors are drilled and slotted, plus zinc coated.
My question is does this really help in the warping department of the rotors to have them drilled and slotted?? They look kick-*** and that is pretty much my main reason for wanting them, but I also want the functionality too, so I am not going through brakes and rotors like mad.
Their claim is that being drilled and slotted will keep the rotors cooler (obviously not cold) and help on the wearing of the brakes as well.. Is this true or a bunch of BS for them trying to sell such rotors??
I think that they will look cool on my car, but also want to make sure that they will perform like they say as well.
Can't complain too much.. The car is 3 years old and still have the factory brakes & rotors on it.. I was looking online (eBay) and I found a whole set for $216.00.. It includes 2 front and 2 rear rotors and brakes to do all 4.. The rotors are drilled and slotted, plus zinc coated.
My question is does this really help in the warping department of the rotors to have them drilled and slotted?? They look kick-*** and that is pretty much my main reason for wanting them, but I also want the functionality too, so I am not going through brakes and rotors like mad.
Their claim is that being drilled and slotted will keep the rotors cooler (obviously not cold) and help on the wearing of the brakes as well.. Is this true or a bunch of BS for them trying to sell such rotors??
I think that they will look cool on my car, but also want to make sure that they will perform like they say as well.
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 73
From: South Haven, MI
i'd make sure about the zinc coating, there is a lot of crap on e-bay.
i bought some a few years back that said they wouldnt rust, they did and looked like crap. as far as the drilled and slotted part its mostly cosmitics unless your racing at high speeds with masssive braking.
i have ATE rotors,from the tire rack and there slotted only and so far after a year, they still look new with exceptional outer coatings.
just my experience
i bought some a few years back that said they wouldnt rust, they did and looked like crap. as far as the drilled and slotted part its mostly cosmitics unless your racing at high speeds with masssive braking.
i have ATE rotors,from the tire rack and there slotted only and so far after a year, they still look new with exceptional outer coatings.
just my experience
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Joined: Apr 2008
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From: S.F. Bay Area
www.r1concepts.com
i've had their E line slotted rotors (front and back) on my car since january no problems. i got hawk HPS pads on all 4. everything is available on that site for a sweet price. plan on spending about $350 for front and rear rotors and pads. im pretty hard on my brakes in San Francisco, lots of hills i drive every day plus i have a heavy foot, so im a pretty aggressive braker. havent had a squeal yet.
im not a big fan of drilled rotors just because i've seen cases of them warping then cracking, on almost any brand. I just go with slotted, still looks agressive but has all the perks of performance rotors.
And yes, these rotors are zinc coated for sure.
130 bucks for front rotors is $65 a piece, a OEM rotor is $50 a piece. its worth it.
i've had their E line slotted rotors (front and back) on my car since january no problems. i got hawk HPS pads on all 4. everything is available on that site for a sweet price. plan on spending about $350 for front and rear rotors and pads. im pretty hard on my brakes in San Francisco, lots of hills i drive every day plus i have a heavy foot, so im a pretty aggressive braker. havent had a squeal yet.
im not a big fan of drilled rotors just because i've seen cases of them warping then cracking, on almost any brand. I just go with slotted, still looks agressive but has all the perks of performance rotors.
And yes, these rotors are zinc coated for sure.
130 bucks for front rotors is $65 a piece, a OEM rotor is $50 a piece. its worth it.
Joined: Oct 2008
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From: St. Paul, MN
i agree with 2003supersport. go with the r1 concept slotted rotors and hawk pads. the general rule of thumb is drilled AND slotted rotors warp faster than just slotted and OEM rotors will last even longer yet without warping. the slotted r1's w/ hawk pads have had good reviews here on the MCF and that's what i will be going with when it's time for me to upgrade the brakes.
otherwise, at least with gm, i have seen good dependability and long life from their OEM pads and rotors in the past. obviously it's the cheaper alternative, but for a little more, the r1's and hawk pads are a good upgrade. my mom got 65k on the stock pads and rotors on a 04 bonneville before she traded, which is great imo. granted she is a less spirited driver than most of us, but still...
otherwise, at least with gm, i have seen good dependability and long life from their OEM pads and rotors in the past. obviously it's the cheaper alternative, but for a little more, the r1's and hawk pads are a good upgrade. my mom got 65k on the stock pads and rotors on a 04 bonneville before she traded, which is great imo. granted she is a less spirited driver than most of us, but still...
Joined: Jul 2009
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I would go with stock rotors unless you are slamming the brakes alot or you tend to travel over 200mph the speed you have to go to get the air across the rotor to help with heat and heat leads to warping.
just if you are doing it yourself use a green sandpaper disk on a drill and put a cross pattern on the rotors. this helps collect and move brake dust form the initial install of the pads. the trick is to get as many X's as you can in the rotors.
put it on the car with 1 lug or 2 and turn it slowly, about 1-2 inches at a time and then 1 sec burst of the drill to get the best result, it takes time but more care leads to better results.
just if you are doing it yourself use a green sandpaper disk on a drill and put a cross pattern on the rotors. this helps collect and move brake dust form the initial install of the pads. the trick is to get as many X's as you can in the rotors.
put it on the car with 1 lug or 2 and turn it slowly, about 1-2 inches at a time and then 1 sec burst of the drill to get the best result, it takes time but more care leads to better results.
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The place I was looking on eBay is called Brake Motive out of Chicago.. Here is what the ad shows:
ITEM INCLUDES 4 NEW DRILLED & SLOTTED ROTORS, AND EVOLUTION CERAMIC PADS (FRONT & REAR) FOR ALL
2006 - 2007 Monte Carlo & SS
PRODUCT INFORMATION
FEATURES OF EVOLUTION CERAMIC BRAKE PADS
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Dynamometer tested using SAEJ2430 requirements for safe and fade resistant braking
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Ceramic pads are 100% non-ferrous so there is no steel & iron in the pad that cause annoying brake squeal.
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Low dust formulation
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All pads come with a constrained layer steel shim with two active rubber layers to eliminate brake noise just like OE pads
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Positive mold hot pressing to eliminate soft spots inside the pad
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Powerstop is a leading supplier of performance brake parts since 1997 (Visit www.powerstop.com for more information)
FEATURES OF KINETIC CROSS DRILLED ROTORS
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Castings are made using SAEJ431 metallurgy from ISO9000 registered foundries
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Large drill holes reduce stress risers
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Holes are engineered for optimum cooling to prevent warping
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Zinc-dichromate plating resists rust for years and it provides much better protection than painted rotors.
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Precision machined using state of the art CNC machine for perfect fit and balance
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Custom chamfered holes to prevent rotor cracking
THE SCIENCE BEHIND FASTER STOPS!
Cross-drilled rotors can improve stopping power up to 35% over stock rotors as reported in SAE Technical Paper 2006-01-0691 "The effect of Rotor Crossdrilling on Brake Performance" by two GM engineers. That's why Corvette, Porsche, Mercedes, and BMW vehicles come factory direct with drilled brake rotors. i.e. not dimpled or slotted. The fact is that the drill holes greatly improve convection heat transfer and the result is more pad bite. The report also states that "it is possible to have too many holes, in which case too much cooling air would be lost before reaching the hottest part of the rotor". Kinetic rotors are designed for optimum rotor cooling and durability with one cooling hole per vane. This also provides superior strength to avoid cracking.
STOP ROTOR WARPING!
High rotor temperature can cause heat spots to form in the rotor, and this causes pulsating brakes Cross-drilled rotors keep the brakes up a 150 degrees cooler to prevent rotor warping.
GENUINE POWER STOP EVOLUTION CERAMIC BRAKE PADS!
Most OE vehicles come with ceramic pads. Power Stop’s Evolution pads are the perfect replacement for serious street performance. All pads are made using positive mold technology for quiet, consistent braking. Pads are chamfered and slotted like the OE, and come with dual layer rubber shims. 82110x/82111x/1159c/698c
ITEM INCLUDES 4 NEW DRILLED & SLOTTED ROTORS, AND EVOLUTION CERAMIC PADS (FRONT & REAR) FOR ALL
2006 - 2007 Monte Carlo & SS
PRODUCT INFORMATION
FEATURES OF EVOLUTION CERAMIC BRAKE PADS
*
Dynamometer tested using SAEJ2430 requirements for safe and fade resistant braking
*
Ceramic pads are 100% non-ferrous so there is no steel & iron in the pad that cause annoying brake squeal.
*
Low dust formulation
*
All pads come with a constrained layer steel shim with two active rubber layers to eliminate brake noise just like OE pads
*
Positive mold hot pressing to eliminate soft spots inside the pad
*
Powerstop is a leading supplier of performance brake parts since 1997 (Visit www.powerstop.com for more information)
FEATURES OF KINETIC CROSS DRILLED ROTORS
*
Castings are made using SAEJ431 metallurgy from ISO9000 registered foundries
*
Large drill holes reduce stress risers
*
Holes are engineered for optimum cooling to prevent warping
*
Zinc-dichromate plating resists rust for years and it provides much better protection than painted rotors.
*
Precision machined using state of the art CNC machine for perfect fit and balance
*
Custom chamfered holes to prevent rotor cracking
THE SCIENCE BEHIND FASTER STOPS!
Cross-drilled rotors can improve stopping power up to 35% over stock rotors as reported in SAE Technical Paper 2006-01-0691 "The effect of Rotor Crossdrilling on Brake Performance" by two GM engineers. That's why Corvette, Porsche, Mercedes, and BMW vehicles come factory direct with drilled brake rotors. i.e. not dimpled or slotted. The fact is that the drill holes greatly improve convection heat transfer and the result is more pad bite. The report also states that "it is possible to have too many holes, in which case too much cooling air would be lost before reaching the hottest part of the rotor". Kinetic rotors are designed for optimum rotor cooling and durability with one cooling hole per vane. This also provides superior strength to avoid cracking.
STOP ROTOR WARPING!
High rotor temperature can cause heat spots to form in the rotor, and this causes pulsating brakes Cross-drilled rotors keep the brakes up a 150 degrees cooler to prevent rotor warping.
GENUINE POWER STOP EVOLUTION CERAMIC BRAKE PADS!
Most OE vehicles come with ceramic pads. Power Stop’s Evolution pads are the perfect replacement for serious street performance. All pads are made using positive mold technology for quiet, consistent braking. Pads are chamfered and slotted like the OE, and come with dual layer rubber shims. 82110x/82111x/1159c/698c
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Can't complain too much.. The car is 3 years old and still have the factory brakes & rotors on it.. I was looking online (eBay) and I found a whole set for $216.00.. It includes 2 front and 2 rear rotors and brakes to do all 4.. The rotors are drilled and slotted, plus zinc coated.
Monte Of The Month -- January 2010
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 8,464
From: San Jose, CA
I actually bought the 06/07 Monte Carlo and SS D/S rotors from brakemotive on Ebay...have not installed them yet, but they look like a good product.
The rotors are made by Powerstop, and pads are Powerstop Evolution ceramic...Like I said, I have yet to install them, but I am happy with the product that is sitting in boxes in my room...LOL Great deal IMO.
I've had D/S rotors on a Cavalier before my Monte, and they worked great, and never warped. My dad has D/S rotors on his Mustang with about 60K on the rotors and pads, and they still have life in them...
I have ZERO luck with OEM rotors, I warp them within 15K all the time. I do drive on the hard side, but still I think OEM rotors suck! Just my opinion.
I would say that MAYBE you will get a little less life from your pads with D/S rotors, but I wuld rather get a few less miles and not have warped rotors after 15-20K then deal with warped rotors for 60-70K...and like I said my dads Mustang has 60K on D/S rotors with EBC green stuff pads...
The rotors are made by Powerstop, and pads are Powerstop Evolution ceramic...Like I said, I have yet to install them, but I am happy with the product that is sitting in boxes in my room...LOL Great deal IMO.
I've had D/S rotors on a Cavalier before my Monte, and they worked great, and never warped. My dad has D/S rotors on his Mustang with about 60K on the rotors and pads, and they still have life in them...
I have ZERO luck with OEM rotors, I warp them within 15K all the time. I do drive on the hard side, but still I think OEM rotors suck! Just my opinion.
I would say that MAYBE you will get a little less life from your pads with D/S rotors, but I wuld rather get a few less miles and not have warped rotors after 15-20K then deal with warped rotors for 60-70K...and like I said my dads Mustang has 60K on D/S rotors with EBC green stuff pads...