5.3 Liter Cam2 Possible?
#1
04-18-2010, 11:59 PM
5.3 Liter Cam2 Possible?
Would it be possible to get a 5.3L DOHC engine that runs off of Cam2 to fit in the 02 LS body? Is that even a possible combo? Because those are my final plans. By the time this thing is done, that's what I want in it. Or maybe I'll put it in an '07 body, but I really like the Gen6 headlights and front end more... Maybe even for it to run RWD or AWD (Pref. AWD). Put a little n2o tank in there for speed boosts.
5.3L
Cam2
DOHC
Supercharger/Turbo
AWD
N2O
That would be the fastest monte on holy earth... no? I would say over 1K HP at the least.
I REALLY REALLY hope someone finds a way to pull this off with their Monte. I wanna see that in live video.... BADLY! So whoever thinks that they are good enough to do that (if possible), GO FOR IT!!
5.3L
Cam2
DOHC
Supercharger/Turbo
AWD
N2O
That would be the fastest monte on holy earth... no? I would say over 1K HP at the least.
I REALLY REALLY hope someone finds a way to pull this off with their Monte. I wanna see that in live video.... BADLY! So whoever thinks that they are good enough to do that (if possible), GO FOR IT!!
Last edited by bnahum; 04-19-2010 at 12:07 AM.
#2
04-20-2010, 09:49 PM
Would it be possible to get a 5.3L DOHC engine
that runs off of Cam2
Is that even a possible combo?
By the time this thing is done, that's what I want in it. Or maybe I'll put it in an '07 body, but I really like the Gen6 headlights and front end more... Maybe even for it to run RWD or AWD (Pref. AWD). Put a little n2o tank in there for speed boosts.
Even just for a straight oddball engine swap, I've seen shops charge $5k+ (look at the Northstar 5th gen)- and you're talking adding a custom turbo kit (another $5k)- and a RWD conversion (if you went with a full drag tube chassis, you could easily get $10k wrapped up in this). When you're talking about spending that kind of money on a $3000 car, it doesn't make much sense- when you can probably get what you want much cheaper. IE if you want a turbo'd RWD V8, pick up a used camaro, and get a turbo kit.
That would be the fastest monte on holy earth... no?
I would say over 1K HP at the least.
I would say over 1K HP at the least.
Also, why so stuck on a 5.3 V8? You can get an LSx up to like 450 some odd cubic inches, or a big block for almost 600 cubic inches. Sure they may not have DOHC- but I don't see why you'd limit yourself to ~327 cubic inches when you're doing a RWD conversion, a turbo, and nitrous.
#4
04-22-2010, 08:46 AM
Bumpin96Monte
I am just asking if it would be feasible to get those installed. The 5.3 thing I said because It would be hard to get anything bigger in there considering all the other stuff I was mentioning being put in.
cam 2 is racing fuel. Its primarily a jet fuel. It is also about $8 a gallon. Its the stuff that NASCAR Stock cars use.
I am just asking if it would be feasible to get those installed. The 5.3 thing I said because It would be hard to get anything bigger in there considering all the other stuff I was mentioning being put in.
cam 2 is racing fuel. Its primarily a jet fuel. It is also about $8 a gallon. Its the stuff that NASCAR Stock cars use.
#5
04-22-2010, 09:15 PM
I am just asking if it would be feasible to get those installed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_Virage
and some V12's in various Jaguars.
But really though- if you're talking about having a professional hack up the car for a RWD conversion- you bet they could install any engine you want too and stick whatever kind of boost on it you want for enough money.
The 5.3 thing I said because It would be hard to get anything bigger in there considering all the other stuff I was mentioning being put in.
Only way you'd have a physically bigger engine is if you went with a big block- but even that's a waste under ~427 cubic inches IMO.
cam 2 is racing fuel. Its primarily a jet fuel. It is also about $8 a gallon. Its the stuff that NASCAR Stock cars use.
I did some research and found that Cam 2 is just another name for Sunoco race gas (for use where they can't advertise the gas maker name):
http://www.bazellracefuels.com/racingfuels.htm
"Cam 2" is the generic name used for Sunoco Race Fuels. You can expect the same consistent high quality performance from Cam 2 Racing Gasoline that you get from Sunoco Race Fuels because the names are interchangeable. It is the same product, made in the same facility by the same people. We use this name wherever the "Sunoco" brand name cannot be used, such as gasoline outlets which carry a competing brand of street gasoline. Cam 2 is available in 110, 112, and 116 octane leaded, and 100 and 104 unleaded.
Edit- I did find another 5.3 DOHC:
http://www.roushperfmarketing.com/files/5.3R.jpg
Roush racing 5.3L DOHC V8- I saw another thread on the cobra forums that says that engine lists for just a bit under $30k alone.
Last edited by bumpin96monte; 04-22-2010 at 09:22 PM.
#6
04-24-2010, 02:57 PM
Thanks for all your insight and help. However, you CAN NOT put Cam 2 in ANY car. It is far more flammable than gasoline. It doesn't just go on fire when you light it, it explodes. the chemical compounds make it run in the engine at MUCH higher temps and WILL BLOW YOUR MOTOR unless you have the proper piston/block assembly in there. So anyone who reads this thread
DO NOT USE CAM 2 IN YOUR VEHICLE UNLESS YOUR MANUFACTURER STATES THAT IT IS OKAY TO USE. IT IS NEVER RECOMMENDED TO USE CAM 2 IN A CAR THAT IS NOT MEANT TO HANDLE IT SPECIFICALLY.
DO NOT USE CAM 2 IN YOUR VEHICLE UNLESS YOUR MANUFACTURER STATES THAT IT IS OKAY TO USE. IT IS NEVER RECOMMENDED TO USE CAM 2 IN A CAR THAT IS NOT MEANT TO HANDLE IT SPECIFICALLY.
#7
04-24-2010, 08:38 PM
However, you CAN NOT put Cam 2 in ANY car. It is far more flammable than gasoline. It doesn't just go on fire when you light it, it explodes. the chemical compounds make it run in the engine at MUCH higher temps and WILL BLOW YOUR MOTOR unless you have the proper piston/block assembly in there. So anyone who reads this thread
DO NOT USE CAM 2 IN YOUR VEHICLE UNLESS YOUR MANUFACTURER STATES THAT IT IS OKAY TO USE. IT IS NEVER RECOMMENDED TO USE CAM 2 IN A CAR THAT IS NOT MEANT TO HANDLE IT SPECIFICALLY.
DO NOT USE CAM 2 IN YOUR VEHICLE UNLESS YOUR MANUFACTURER STATES THAT IT IS OKAY TO USE. IT IS NEVER RECOMMENDED TO USE CAM 2 IN A CAR THAT IS NOT MEANT TO HANDLE IT SPECIFICALLY.
First of all- you keep calling it "CAM 2"- you obviously don't realize that CAM 2 is used as an alternative brand name to the entire Sunoco race fuel line. Proof:
"Cam 2" is the generic name used for Sunoco Race Fuels. You can expect the same consistent high quality performance from Cam 2 Racing Gasoline that you get from Sunoco Race Fuels because the names are interchangeable. It is the same product, made in the same facility by the same people. We use this name wherever the "Sunoco" brand name cannot be used, such as gasoline outlets which carry a competing brand of street gasoline.
http://www.bazellracefuels.com/racingfuels.htm
and here:
Sunoco racing products were marketed as CAM2 prior to 1992, then the brand name was changed to Sunoco Race Fuels. However we offer the CAM2 Brand as a alternative to Sunoco Race Fuels Brand. All products are identical in formulas and pricing.
So- specifically, NASCAR uses Sunoco 260GTX. Proof:
The unleaded fuel, Sunoco 260 GTX, will be used in Nextel Cup, Busch and Craftsman Truck events.
http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/head...uel/index.html
and
THE OFFICIAL FUEL OF NASCAR
SUNOCO 260 GTX RACING GASOLINE
SUNOCO 260 GTX RACING GASOLINE
http://www.bazellracefuels.com/racingfuels.htm
also:
Up until the 2008 season Nascar used leaded fuel. Begining this year and for the very first time NASCAR will use unleaded fuel. It is unleaded, Sunoco 260 GTX.
Next I move on to the 'more flammable, and explodes' stuff- you have to realize that they're using regular unleaded gasoline- not methanol, not nitromethane, not alcohol- it is . I would actually say that it is 'less explosive' that the gas in your tank now- reason being is you get 87 octane out of a pump, and the "NASCAR gas" is 98- so it is more resistant to detonation (meaning it is slightly harder to ignite). And honestly- when you look at the lineup of racing fuel, you can get stuff higher than 98 (even in unleaded, although you could use regular leaded race gas too if you were just planning on racing it)- so there is stuff out there you could make more power with.
The one thing I was confused about- is why Sunoco 260 GTX is specifically labelled 'for off road use only':
http://www.sunocoinc.com/Site/Consum...noco260GTX.htm
even though they carry 260GT which is street legal 100 octane race gas:
http://www.sunocoinc.com/Site/Consum...unoco260GT.htm
Then I found this:
It is unleaded just like the street fuels, but in 97 percent of the United States, it is not a street legal fuel because it does not contain any oxygen.
So what does oxygenated fuel matter?
Oxygenates in the fuel simply allow poorer quality fuel to serve at lower
combustion temperatures without producing destructive engine knock.
Because there is a limit to the amount of oxygen available in the air, and so
little time for the fuel to burn as the engine runs, oxygenated fuel
assists in
more complete combustion by adding oxygen as part of the fuel itself. Thus,
lower CO and hydrocarbon emissions.
Lower combustion temperature reduces NOx, oxygenates reduce CO and hydrocarbon
emissions, and everyone seems to be happy. However, engine efficiency and fuel
economy suffers. This makes no one happy.
combustion temperatures without producing destructive engine knock.
Because there is a limit to the amount of oxygen available in the air, and so
little time for the fuel to burn as the engine runs, oxygenated fuel
assists in
more complete combustion by adding oxygen as part of the fuel itself. Thus,
lower CO and hydrocarbon emissions.
Lower combustion temperature reduces NOx, oxygenates reduce CO and hydrocarbon
emissions, and everyone seems to be happy. However, engine efficiency and fuel
economy suffers. This makes no one happy.
I know a car forum isn't a great place for tech info, but I found some more tidbits on one. Here is another important point:
Racing gas is expensive, but the real reason NOT to use it is that it's lethal!
Gas that is at the gas station has had many additives removed that distroy the environment and kill people.
Gas for the public has had many additives removed because of environmental reasons. Race gas does not carry the same restrictions, although in my opinion it should.
I have a close friend who has been in the wholesale gas business for 20 years. He works with all kinds of toxic fluids, but avoids race gas at all cost.
Gas that is at the gas station has had many additives removed that distroy the environment and kill people.
Gas for the public has had many additives removed because of environmental reasons. Race gas does not carry the same restrictions, although in my opinion it should.
I have a close friend who has been in the wholesale gas business for 20 years. He works with all kinds of toxic fluids, but avoids race gas at all cost.
The other thing- is if you're considering buying NASCAR gas- you can't- Sunoco 260GTX is NOT sold at any race gas places:
The Sunoco 260 GTX is ONLY sold at NASCAR Fuel Distributors, which are located on the grounds of NASCAR affiliated facilities. It can only be pumped into special dispensing tanks or systems and NOT any vehicle, including any type of Race Car. Additionally, the special dispensing tanks or systems MUST, or are supposed to, have some type of NASCAR Approval/Inspection sticker prominently affixed to them. They must be prominently labelled "Off-Road Use Only". The purchaser is also supposed to prove NASCAR affiliation, ID or have some type of Team Contract with the NASCAR Fuel Seller.
I checked with a number of Sunoco Retailers, one of whom is a long-time friend. All state that they can NOT obtain this fuel from Sunoco. It is not made to be marketed to the general motoring public and is designed and sold only at licensed NASCAR Fuel Distributors. It is meant only for Off-Road Use. That is what these retailers say.
http://www.northcarolinagasprices.co...ge_no=16&FAV=N
So even if you wanted to specifically buy "NASCAR gas" you couldn't- no one can but NASCAR teams.
However- you BS post was this:
you CAN NOT put Cam 2 in ANY car. It is far more flammable than gasoline. It doesn't just go on fire when you light it, it explodes. the chemical compounds make it run in the engine at MUCH higher temps and WILL BLOW YOUR MOTOR unless you have the proper piston/block assembly in there. So anyone who reads this thread
Even if you misspoke, and specifically meant the one line of CAM 2 made for NASCAR- of course you can't put it in any engine, because no one can buy it outside of NASCAR- and even if you could, I have not found anything about that specific fuel that makes it any different than any other unleaded racing GASOLINE other than the specific additive package and lack of oxygenate for NASCAR's rules.
#9
05-03-2010, 11:59 PM
Chevy does make a 5.3 or 5300 V8. I think it a newer 327 or something close to that. Google it. It is in the newer pickups like the chevy colorado. So bumpin I don't know why you didn't google that you google cam 2. If it fits I think It's a good idea. You can't go wrong with a V8.
#10
05-04-2010, 01:32 AM
Please provide proof- links to ANY tech page that says this- I call BS for sure.
First of all- you keep calling it "CAM 2"- you obviously don't realize that CAM 2 is used as an alternative brand name to the entire Sunoco race fuel line. Proof:
from here:
http://www.bazellracefuels.com/racingfuels.htm
and here:
http://www.motorsportsracingfuels.com/CAM2.html
So- specifically, NASCAR uses Sunoco 260GTX. Proof:
from here:
http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/head...uel/index.html
and
from here:
http://www.bazellracefuels.com/racingfuels.htm
also:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_kind_...s_a_nascar_use
Next I move on to the 'more flammable, and explodes' stuff- you have to realize that they're using regular unleaded gasoline- not methanol, not nitromethane, not alcohol- it is . I would actually say that it is 'less explosive' that the gas in your tank now- reason being is you get 87 octane out of a pump, and the "NASCAR gas" is 98- so it is more resistant to detonation (meaning it is slightly harder to ignite). And honestly- when you look at the lineup of racing fuel, you can get stuff higher than 98 (even in unleaded, although you could use regular leaded race gas too if you were just planning on racing it)- so there is stuff out there you could make more power with.
The one thing I was confused about- is why Sunoco 260 GTX is specifically labelled 'for off road use only':
http://www.sunocoinc.com/Site/Consum...noco260GTX.htm
even though they carry 260GT which is street legal 100 octane race gas:
http://www.sunocoinc.com/Site/Consum...unoco260GT.htm
Then I found this:
http://www.roanoke.com/sports/racing/wb/241195
So what does oxygenated fuel matter?
Most places require the use of oxygenated fuel for street vehicles because of the reduced emissions effects. Having no oxygen content in the NASCAR gas doesn't make it any kind of crazy fuel- oxygenated fuel is a pretty new concept (80's I think?)- so before that, all the cars on the road were running un-oxygenated fuel just like NASCAR. None of them blew up.
I know a car forum isn't a great place for tech info, but I found some more tidbits on one. Here is another important point:
By making a race fuel 'for off road use only'- you don't have to put in all the additives that the government requires, and have more freedom with the fuel- at the sake of the environment.
The other thing- is if you're considering buying NASCAR gas- you can't- Sunoco 260GTX is NOT sold at any race gas places:
source:
http://www.northcarolinagasprices.co...ge_no=16&FAV=N
So even if you wanted to specifically buy "NASCAR gas" you couldn't- no one can but NASCAR teams.
However- you BS post was this:
and since we already clarified that CAM 2 = Sunoco exactly; then Sunoco 260 GT - is a CAM 2 fuel, is unleaded and IS STREET LEGAL AND WILL NOT BLOW YOUR ENGINE.
Even if you misspoke, and specifically meant the one line of CAM 2 made for NASCAR- of course you can't put it in any engine, because no one can buy it outside of NASCAR- and even if you could, I have not found anything about that specific fuel that makes it any different than any other unleaded racing GASOLINE other than the specific additive package and lack of oxygenate for NASCAR's rules.
First of all- you keep calling it "CAM 2"- you obviously don't realize that CAM 2 is used as an alternative brand name to the entire Sunoco race fuel line. Proof:
from here:
http://www.bazellracefuels.com/racingfuels.htm
and here:
http://www.motorsportsracingfuels.com/CAM2.html
So- specifically, NASCAR uses Sunoco 260GTX. Proof:
from here:
http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/head...uel/index.html
and
from here:
http://www.bazellracefuels.com/racingfuels.htm
also:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_kind_...s_a_nascar_use
Next I move on to the 'more flammable, and explodes' stuff- you have to realize that they're using regular unleaded gasoline- not methanol, not nitromethane, not alcohol- it is . I would actually say that it is 'less explosive' that the gas in your tank now- reason being is you get 87 octane out of a pump, and the "NASCAR gas" is 98- so it is more resistant to detonation (meaning it is slightly harder to ignite). And honestly- when you look at the lineup of racing fuel, you can get stuff higher than 98 (even in unleaded, although you could use regular leaded race gas too if you were just planning on racing it)- so there is stuff out there you could make more power with.
The one thing I was confused about- is why Sunoco 260 GTX is specifically labelled 'for off road use only':
http://www.sunocoinc.com/Site/Consum...noco260GTX.htm
even though they carry 260GT which is street legal 100 octane race gas:
http://www.sunocoinc.com/Site/Consum...unoco260GT.htm
Then I found this:
http://www.roanoke.com/sports/racing/wb/241195
So what does oxygenated fuel matter?
Most places require the use of oxygenated fuel for street vehicles because of the reduced emissions effects. Having no oxygen content in the NASCAR gas doesn't make it any kind of crazy fuel- oxygenated fuel is a pretty new concept (80's I think?)- so before that, all the cars on the road were running un-oxygenated fuel just like NASCAR. None of them blew up.
I know a car forum isn't a great place for tech info, but I found some more tidbits on one. Here is another important point:
By making a race fuel 'for off road use only'- you don't have to put in all the additives that the government requires, and have more freedom with the fuel- at the sake of the environment.
The other thing- is if you're considering buying NASCAR gas- you can't- Sunoco 260GTX is NOT sold at any race gas places:
source:
http://www.northcarolinagasprices.co...ge_no=16&FAV=N
So even if you wanted to specifically buy "NASCAR gas" you couldn't- no one can but NASCAR teams.
However- you BS post was this:
and since we already clarified that CAM 2 = Sunoco exactly; then Sunoco 260 GT - is a CAM 2 fuel, is unleaded and IS STREET LEGAL AND WILL NOT BLOW YOUR ENGINE.
Even if you misspoke, and specifically meant the one line of CAM 2 made for NASCAR- of course you can't put it in any engine, because no one can buy it outside of NASCAR- and even if you could, I have not found anything about that specific fuel that makes it any different than any other unleaded racing GASOLINE other than the specific additive package and lack of oxygenate for NASCAR's rules.
I kept hoping someone would put a pic like that on here... i applaud u sir, u make me proud