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Mr Grizzly Mint 01-02-2012 10:18 PM

Emissions Problems
 
My State/County has such strict emissions rules that I cannot even put a cat back exhaust or it will not pass emissions they are passing a bill that that keeps people from putting anything but factory parts on your engine/exhaust. It is so strict that people running dual pipes out the back, and the car came factory stock with one, wont pass inspection. How do I fight this and who would help. I want to Modify my Monte and keep it on the street.

KJRich 01-02-2012 10:23 PM

Which state is this?

BlackRainSS 01-02-2012 11:57 PM

I was about to ask the same thing too

03JGMonte 01-03-2012 12:42 AM

Almost have to be cali for that kinda restrictions

mousehousemoparman 01-03-2012 01:43 AM

You have very few options. SEMA lobbies the states and feds for the rights of auto enthusiasts. You could join SEMA and help support their efforts. The second thing is to call your local legislators and let them know of your disapproval and also get out and vote. Your last option is to get your car inspected and then put your cat back system on. Make sure you do it in such a way that you can swap it back out when you have to reinspect.

Mr Grizzly Mint 01-03-2012 12:46 PM

Believe it or not it is Missouri. But, the strict emissions is due to my county. 10 miles south there are no restrictions what so ever. I found out when I went to get a quote on instillation time for the exhaust system, I dont have the time do it myself. The owner of the shop, who is a friend of mine, told me about it. The bill that makes it so strict is not passed yet but they are trying to make it pass in next 2 years. O and it only affects cars 1996 and up.

03JGMonte 01-03-2012 02:01 PM

Where at in missouri??

AwesomeSS 01-03-2012 02:11 PM

That sounds like a crazy stupid law. Thank goodness we don't have anything like that in IL. That is one of the first mods I do when I buy a car - aftermarket catback or mufflers. I like em loud LOL!

ChibiBlackSheep 01-03-2012 03:21 PM

Cat-Back exhausts DO NOTHING for emissions. I could see a law not being able to change out the Catalytic, but a cat-back?

Enzo354 01-03-2012 05:35 PM

Exhaust? What's exhaust?
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mousehousemoparman 01-03-2012 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by ChibiBlackSheep (Post 398853)
Cat-Back exhausts DO NOTHING for emissions. I could see a law not being able to change out the Catalytic, but a cat-back?

The EPA and a few other groups want us all riding bicycles that no pollutants unless you pass gas as you pedal. In an effort to reach that goal they are attempting to legislate what can be done to a car by its owner. They have already legislated that you can not buy a used catalitic converter to put on your car. You must buy new and if new is not available you have to junk the car. This is their way of reducing the numbers of used cars on the road as was the popular clunker bill a few years ago. All the cars that were traded in using the clunker bill had to be junked. The only parts that were allowed off of them was what was needed to make it crushable. The EPA is out of control and things will only get worse. Barak Obama supports the efforts of the EPA. I voted for him in 08 but will not do so again.

SupplySgt 01-03-2012 06:02 PM

How did they get the idea that a cat-back affects emissions??? That's just crazy. And only on 96 or newer? Geeze all they do is plug in to the OBD port anyway.

mousehousemoparman 01-03-2012 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by SupplySgt (Post 398914)
How did they get the idea that a cat-back affects emissions??? That's just crazy. And only on 96 or newer? Geeze all they do is plug in to the OBD port anyway.

They are mindless idiots. They have no clue how cars run. They just want to make sure that no one changes anything from the way it left the assembly line. They have already mandated how they are built there.

Enzo354 01-03-2012 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by mousehousemoparman (Post 398910)
The EPA and a few other groups want us all riding bicycles that no pollutants unless you pass gas as you pedal. In an effort to reach that goal they are attempting to legislate what can be done to a car by its owner. They have already legislated that you can not buy a used catalitic converter to put on your car. You must buy new and if new is not available you have to junk the car. This is their way of reducing the numbers of used cars on the road as was the popular clunker bill a few years ago. All the cars that were traded in using the clunker bill had to be junked. The only parts that were allowed off of them was what was needed to make it crushable. The EPA is out of control and things will only get worse. Barak Obama supports the efforts of the EPA. I voted for him in 08 but will not do so again.

If the EPA got their way, we wouldn't even have bicycles. Honestly I will continue to mod my car the way I want to no matter what the big mans says. If I can't have freedom of speech, I can sure have freedom to do what I please with what I buy. Come on, tell me I can't put a fireplace in my house.

SupplySgt 01-03-2012 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by mousehousemoparman (Post 398916)
They are mindless idiots. They have no clue how cars run. They just want to make sure that no one changes anything from the way it left the assembly line. They have already mandated how they are built there.

Sad part is that most of my mods are designed to make it more efficient, and therefore get better fuel mileage. I always get better fuel mileage than it did bone stock when I get the chance to mod a car. You'd think that would make the tree huggers happy but I guess as long as we are using anything other than our feet to get around then they'll never be happy.

DRuben 01-03-2012 06:30 PM

Who would pass this bill? I mean we paid for our cars, we should have the freedom to do what we want. The only exception I would go for is the catalytic converter. Keep the catalytic converter law that we have in order to reduce emissions.

mousehousemoparman 01-03-2012 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by DRuben (Post 398922)
Who would pass this bill? I mean we paid for our cars, we should have the freedom to do what we want. The only exception I would go for is the catalytic converter. Keep the catalytic converter law that we have in order to reduce emissions.

I agree completely except for the cat Converter. If you can make your car run clean without that added weight then you should be able to run without it. As it is now a garage can not remove a cat from a car but a car owner can. I eliminated them from many of my Mopars. We don't have vehicle inspections here in Florida. They eliminated them about twenty years ago because of rampant corruption in the system from what I was told. With out the state inspections we do have a few junks on the road but they are not that many. We also don't have the structural rust issues here that are in other parts of the country but we do have rust issues here.

mousehousemoparman 01-03-2012 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by Enzo354 (Post 398917)
If the EPA got their way, we wouldn't even have bicycles. Honestly I will continue to mod my car the way I want to no matter what the big mans says. If I can't have freedom of speech, I can sure have freedom to do what I please with what I buy. Come on, tell me I can't put a fireplace in my house.

The EPA has even regulated the emissions from fire places. You can install a fireplace if it is EPA approved. They have even begun regulating lawn mower emissions. Expect to see fuel injection and a cat converter in the near future on lawn mowers.

03JGMonte 01-03-2012 09:43 PM

EPA is just a huge wast of money, should just get rid of it & wed have more money

Budsjlm 01-03-2012 10:38 PM

Thank god for living in a state with no inspection, my Saturn would fail as soon as it was started and the giant cloud of blue smoke came pouring out the exhaust... If I had to pay to have that fixed I would be a unhapy man.. would mean basicly a complete teardown all becuase Saturn did no think to drill oil relief holes in the oil control ring land

03JGMonte 01-03-2012 11:28 PM

My old camaro would nvr pass an emisions test you could smell the fuel in the exhaust


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