Hmm, so it seems top swap would be the logical thing to do. However out of curiousity, what is it that makes the GTP's the best choice performance wise? Monte's are a bit lighter, same engine/tranny. What is it that makes GTP's a little faster and better to mod on the long run?

 

IMO, it really depends what kind of cars you run across. If you found a used GTP in good condtion- then it would save you the time of doing a top swap. But I just bring up the top swap idea in case you run across a GT or L36 monte in good shape for cheap, so you know you have the option (just factor in $1k extra to do the swap when you're looking at cars, so you are looking at them all on the same level). Just depends what cars you run across when you start looking.


As far as the GTP's being a little faster- I think it has something to do with PCM tuning. It seems like in the newer cars (say 03, 04+) that they have more torque management in the pcm. I think thats also part of the reason why the "260 hp" L32 GTP's really don't seem that much faster than the older 240 hp L67's.

I wouldn't necessarily say GTP's are better to mod in the long run- I think you'd be ok with either car. The real draw to a GTP is there are so many years, and so many L67's available- that the chances of finding one in good shape for cheap tends to be higher than with the montes.

 

i work for a insurence company if you want to put a sc on a none and if you are in an accedent. the value of adding the performer is not going to be there. if you got the one with the true sc car get it the value stays higher because of it being rare and you cam modify it more

 

What are the chances in the heads/supercharger/etc being damaged in a wreck anyways? If they get seriously damaged- then your car is beyond totalled, and you're likely dead too.

I'm sure if you were crazy about having it covered for some odd reason that you could pay extra like an aftermarket add on part, but I sure don't see a point.

 

He isn't referring to the engine being damaged, he is referring to the whole cars value. Lets say someone runs a stop sign and Tbones him or takes some front end damage. Not enough to bend the car out of shape, but enough to take out a door, fender and maybe the hood.

The on an NA with the lower blue book value the insurance company can just total it. With the higher BB value they would be required to fix it.

This just happened to a friend of mines Ford Excursion. A drunk hit her truck doing 40 MPH in the city - yeah crazy. Anyway due to the options on her vehicle it pushed the value up a bit and she is just clearing BB value and getting it fixed. This is cool because she had a dent in the rear hatch and the bumper was bent a bit.

If she had the base model it would have been totaled.

 

I dunno, I guess thats up to the person- seems like an odd reason to want to spend more on the car. If your goal would be to get the car with the highest value in case you get hit- you're also going to be the most on the car. I guess it just depends on if you're trying to stick on a limited budget- or if you want to spend the money on a much newer / lower mileage car.

Also keep in mind that a factory supercharged GTP from the late 90s would probably be worth less than an early 2000's NA monte.

 

If this is what you guys are referring to, then I'm pretty sure the op means that if you add a supercharger to a non-supercharged car, then the insurance company will not cover the added components in the event of an accident.

That would be if you did not choose to have the additional parts insured though.

This is what I got out of it at least.

It is true that it is unlikely that the cast iron engine components would be damaged in an accident that would not be completely catastrophic.

It is also true that a car that is higher in value will have to sustain much more damage to be considered "totaled" than a lower value car, but that isn't something that you can really plan for. I would hope that nobody is basing the damage a car could take without being considered totaled when purchasing a car.
-Riggs.

 

Hey guys, i've also recently noticed alot of 96-99 montes with the 3800 II SC engines. How hard is it to throw the engine/tranny/dual tip exhaust on them??

 

Thats what I have- a 96 monte with a 98 GTP powertrain. I did write up a walkthrough:

http://mymonte.com/discussion/index.php?showtopic=23142

There are upsides and downsides to the 95-99 montes. The downside for power is that any 3800 headers are a pain to make fit (they require cutting the firewall). The other downside is they are technically a 1.5 gen wbody (the early 90s GP's and such were 1st gen wbodys, and the newer GP's, impalas, montes etc are a 2nd gen wbody). So the front suspension and some other aspects are an oddball combo between the two, and a lot of the 2nd gen wbody stuff doesn't fit.

As far as the L67 swap- since they came with the L36 (NA 3800) in 98 & 99 it makes the L67 swap simple. You simply use a 98/99 L36 engine harness with a couple simple mods for the L67- and its a direct bolt in / plug in. If you get a monte with a 4t60 (like the 3100)- you use a 98/99 L36 monte passenger side axle. The only oddball thing with these cars is the drivers side axle needs to be custom made- you use the L67 inner tripot, and your stock center/outer. Its only like a 20 minute job that you can do yourself.

 

I just realized I've never seen any pics of you car. Can you throw some up? I've been dying to see what it looks like.