Changing spark plugs on the 3800 was no fun.
#31
This is just plain poor engineering by GM, I remember in years past it was a pleasure to work on my car. I am sure the auto mechanics have tips and tricks they use to put plugs in the back. I had a Super Charged 94 3.8 Park Avenue and remember my arms were sore for a week after changing the rear plugs. I rather have a few inches less in the trunk so I had more room in the engine compartment to work. I need to put plugs in this 2002 Monte, 100000, think I am going to have it done.
#32
They just stand under the car and reach up. Working with a lift is insanely easier
#33
This is just plain poor engineering by GM, I remember in years past it was a pleasure to work on my car. I am sure the auto mechanics have tips and tricks they use to put plugs in the back. I had a Super Charged 94 3.8 Park Avenue and remember my arms were sore for a week after changing the rear plugs. I rather have a few inches less in the trunk so I had more room in the engine compartment to work. I need to put plugs in this 2002 Monte, 100000, think I am going to have it done.
Part of the issue is that ease of maintenance isn't a metric that is often evaluated or used. Excess engine bay space takes away from luggage and passenger room, both of which are heavily reviewed metrics in this class of car.
On top of that, plugs are 100k service interval, so it's not like a manufacturer is going to make special accommodations on a car for something that'll likely only get changed 1 time in the normal life of the car.
Last edited by bumpin96monte; 08-23-2016 at 06:51 PM.
#34
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Mentor, Ohio
Posts: 12,156
I've done plugs on W and H bodies. I really don't find the rear's hard to do on the 3800 or 3400. Maybe I have longer arms and that is the difference. I get to them from up top, no rocking the engine forward.
The hardest part I have is getting a grip on the plug boot (due to the heat shields). I found the trick for that is use vise grips to grab the 1/2 inch of the plug boot sticking out from the plug heat shield, then twist and pull.
I never liked the back two plugs on the v8 in my '84 Camaro. Tore my arms up on that job.
The hardest part I have is getting a grip on the plug boot (due to the heat shields). I found the trick for that is use vise grips to grab the 1/2 inch of the plug boot sticking out from the plug heat shield, then twist and pull.
I never liked the back two plugs on the v8 in my '84 Camaro. Tore my arms up on that job.
#35
I've done plugs on W and H bodies. I really don't find the rear's hard to do on the 3800 or 3400. Maybe I have longer arms and that is the difference. I get to them from up top, no rocking the engine forward.
The hardest part I have is getting a grip on the plug boot (due to the heat shields). I found the trick for that is use vise grips to grab the 1/2 inch of the plug boot sticking out from the plug heat shield, then twist and pull.
I never liked the back two plugs on the v8 in my '84 Camaro. Tore my arms up on that job.
The hardest part I have is getting a grip on the plug boot (due to the heat shields). I found the trick for that is use vise grips to grab the 1/2 inch of the plug boot sticking out from the plug heat shield, then twist and pull.
I never liked the back two plugs on the v8 in my '84 Camaro. Tore my arms up on that job.
I agree on the third gen Camaro. My IROC was a pain for the back pair. Tore myself up something fierce getting those.
#36
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Mentor, Ohio
Posts: 12,156
I cannot speak for a 3100 in a 5th gen, but I worked on plenty 3100's in 94-95 grand ams. The trick to getting to the back plugs was removing the 2 bolts and 2 nuts that held the entire cool pack assembly on and flop it forward on those cars.
But the 3400 on 00+ wbodies and nbodies I don't need that trick, takes about 30 minutes to change all the plugs.
But the 3400 on 00+ wbodies and nbodies I don't need that trick, takes about 30 minutes to change all the plugs.
#37
We had the engine rocked forward and I had no problems getting it out. It was just getting the threads started. Had a funky angle to it. It was probably just the fact that it was different than the 3800s I'm used to that made it a pain for me.
#39
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Mentor, Ohio
Posts: 12,156
And as far as the CSC, can't help you there lol.
#40
I'm glad none of my cars have the Cali equipment crap. Of course, even if I did move there (not going to happen) my 78 would not be anything remotely close to legal with the motor that's in there hahahaha